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What counters 100 titans and 155 moms?
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Twisted Girl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-02-24 09:41:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Twisted Girl
Travasty Space wrote:
Why not just drop the damage bonus of titans (20-40% per level range) and give them % per level bonuses to fleet racial E-war and add role bonus of using capital e-war mods(with the modules themselves having limits like cloaking devices as to the number that can be fit) as well as being able to 'pierce' the E-war immunity of other supercaps?

So something like this changes highlighted:

Ragnarok:

Minmatar Titan Skill Bonuses:
35% bonus to Capital Projectile Turret damage per level
10% bonus to gang members' webifiers' range per level
5% bonus to gang members' target painters' effectiveness per level
7.5% reduction in gang members’ signature radius per level
99% reduction in CPU need for Warfare Link modules
Can fit Gjallarhorn Super Weapon
Can fit Jump Portal Generator
Can fit Clone Vat Bay
Can fit 1 additional Warfare Link module per level
Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare

Role Bonuses:
Can fit Capital webifiers.
Target painters can pierce Super-Capital Electronic Warfare immunity.

And then mirror this onto the other titans with their racial E-war. The cap e-war mods would need some work themselves, maybe for the capital webs -60% velocity but POS web range so like 150km, scram and point would likely be similar to that and the capital neut would have to be around capital energy xfer for amount neut'd and cycle time like 30-40 seconds. Now for the Levi and it's capital ecm mod I'd say have it 100% jam for half to two thirds of its total cycle time, say jams for 20 seconds but has a cycle time for 30.



they alrdy got gang bonuses, ragnarok got sig bonus, erebus armor % bonus, avatar cap bonus and levi shield hp bonus. Im not sure why you would wanna change that as they are all(besides maybe rags bonus) more usefull than any EW bonus.
Also most people doesnt have issue witn titan dps at all, just the tracking, tho in all honesty most of the "blapping" is a mix of webbed/painter targets and bad piloting, you could get a lot of the similar results using dreads so vov.
Travasty Space
Pilots of Epic
#62 - 2012-02-24 10:07:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Travasty Space
Twisted Girl wrote:
Travasty Space wrote:
Why not just drop the damage bonus of titans (20-40% per level range) and give them % per level bonuses to fleet racial E-war and add role bonus of using capital e-war mods(with the modules themselves having limits like cloaking devices as to the number that can be fit) as well as being able to 'pierce' the E-war immunity of other supercaps?

So something like this changes highlighted:

Ragnarok:

Minmatar Titan Skill Bonuses:
35% bonus to Capital Projectile Turret damage per level
10% bonus to gang members' webifiers' range per level
5% bonus to gang members' target painters' effectiveness per level
7.5% reduction in gang members’ signature radius per level
99% reduction in CPU need for Warfare Link modules
Can fit Gjallarhorn Super Weapon
Can fit Jump Portal Generator
Can fit Clone Vat Bay
Can fit 1 additional Warfare Link module per level
Immune to all forms of Electronic Warfare

Role Bonuses:
Can fit Capital webifiers.
Target painters can pierce Super-Capital Electronic Warfare immunity.

And then mirror this onto the other titans with their racial E-war. The cap e-war mods would need some work themselves, maybe for the capital webs -60% velocity but POS web range so like 150km, scram and point would likely be similar to that and the capital neut would have to be around capital energy xfer for amount neut'd and cycle time like 30-40 seconds. Now for the Levi and it's capital ecm mod I'd say have it 100% jam for half to two thirds of its total cycle time, say jams for 20 seconds but has a cycle time for 30.



they alrdy got gang bonuses, ragnarok got sig bonus, erebus armor % bonus, avatar cap bonus and levi shield hp bonus. Im not sure why you would wanna change that as they are all(besides maybe rags bonus) more usefull than any EW bonus.
Also most people doesnt have issue witn titan dps at all, just the tracking, tho in all honesty most of the "blapping" is a mix of webbed/painter targets and bad piloting, you could get a lot of the similar results using dreads so vov.


I'm not saying drop those bonuses, I'm saying on top of those bonuses, and due to how tracking/opt range/fall-off affect DPS this reduces the "blapping" while adding methods of increasing real DPS(Rag bonused TPs and web on it, though maybe 60% web a bit much, maybe drop it to 30-40%) a bet likely still having a bit less real dps after and increasing the overall effect of titans on the field around them.
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-02-24 22:10:59 UTC
Nicole KholdStare wrote:
Some kind of upkeep that has to be paid per supercap, preferrably scaled so that the more you have the more you pay for individual ones?


Based on what, what corp you're in? Balancing anything by cost just doesn't work.
Sernum
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#64 - 2012-02-25 18:00:56 UTC
Why you all want to make game rock paper scissors shoot; just b/c you have no big super cap blobs TwistedTwistedTwisted
queen1121
Pivovarna Union
SUS Holding
#65 - 2012-03-09 14:00:59 UTC
Chuck Norris would be the only correct answer to question :)
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#66 - 2012-03-10 02:06:07 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
cynojammer?

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
Kyr Evotorin
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#67 - 2012-03-11 21:23:21 UTC
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
cynojammer?
Ikra Atarm
The defenders of Greyskull inc.
#68 - 2012-03-21 21:04:56 UTC
An FW fleet yes PL I went their
Jonathan Jax
Frak Around and Find Out
#69 - 2012-03-21 22:02:37 UTC
I'm not going to read the 4 pages of peanut gallery comments. Just divide your enemy and counter their much smaller split numbers.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#70 - 2012-03-21 23:30:09 UTC
Thea Siirian wrote:


It seems they've answered all the questions except the really important one. OK, we're here. We win. Now what?


This is exactly how I feel about it too. The problem stems from one simple fact. They are created in much larger numbers than they can possibly be destroyed.

Even if you can pick them off in ones and twos it's still just pissing on a forest fire unless CCP does something to create a realistic counter for them.

T-
ceyriot
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#71 - 2012-03-24 04:37:10 UTC
Robur Carolinum wrote:
101 titans and 156 motherships.
Confirming the way to beat lag....is with MOAR lag.

If you can't beat em, join em....

Not Flyinghotpocket's alt. At all.

Faction Warfare is like Fight Club. But with spaceships.
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-04-09 19:01:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayrendo Karr
Simple go the way of T3.

Lose a supercap/cap lose a skill level.
Make them much more difficult and time consuming to build.
Supercaps should need licences from concord to fly in nullsec.
Make them cost tens or in some cases hundereds of billions a month perhaps exponentially increasing for the amount of Supers.
Hell just limit the amount that can be on one grid. Those things are so big they have gravity imagine if 50 titans all sat 20 km apart from each other, there would be moons forming out the ass.
Make them only buildable in the home system.
Don't make them weaker, make them extremely cost ineffective and a massive blow to lose.
Ive never done nullsec but anything that slows the tide helps.
Katalci
Kismesis
#73 - 2012-04-09 19:39:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Katalci
Dreadnoughts.
Lanasak
Doomheim
#74 - 2012-04-10 17:16:59 UTC
Katalci wrote:
Dreadnoughts.


you'd have to drop enough to crash the node, otherwise you'll lose them all before they even lock a single titan
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#75 - 2012-04-10 20:05:22 UTC
A cleverly designed computer virus uploaded into the server that wipes out all data relating to Cap Ships in game?
Ikeo58
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#76 - 2012-04-12 10:10:02 UTC
Downtime Big smile
Mythradites
Dead and Delirious
Brotherhood of Spacers
#77 - 2012-04-14 18:12:26 UTC
Counter to the blob is a bigger blob. Always has been. Why bother even asking a question you already know the answer to.
Vetorept Fera
Doomheim
#78 - 2012-04-14 18:24:24 UTC
A cultural revolution is the only effective counter...

with a handful of rifters

In pace requiescat
Katalci
Kismesis
#79 - 2012-04-16 20:14:45 UTC
Mythradites wrote:
Counter to the blob is a bigger blob. Always has been. Why bother even asking a question you already know the answer to.

Only to the uncreative.
qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#80 - 2012-04-16 21:51:09 UTC
Mythradites wrote:
Counter to the blob is a bigger blob. Always has been. Why bother even asking a question you already know the answer to.


Counter to 1500 battle cruisers is 2 flights of bombers.