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In memorial. [ An EVE Burial Ground ]
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Dantes Wolf
Interstellar Corporation of Universal Management
#1 - 2012-01-13 12:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Dantes Wolf


Hall of the dead.

An EVE burial ground



A place of memory.

Death comes to us all, weather we want it or not, an issue that should be embraced, with grace, but still embraced.

EVE will be around for possibly hundreds of years, if not more, and its player bulk, us, will change as we die, and new blood takes our place.

But what about those of us who are still here? Where do we mourne our comrades who are buried, possibly thousands of kilometers away?

And where do we send our friends, when we fall?

At the moment we are left to alternate sites, to a candle in the window or to memories, but with all respect, EVE is where we meet, where we met and where we lived.

Shouldnt this, the connection, be honoured where it happened?

Imho, we deserve a burial ground, a place, a system, where we might fly to, to throw a flower, light a candle, shoot a bandoleer off in memory, and to pay our respects to the fallen.

I might be asking too much, but on the other hand, every one of us who lives here, will die at some point.

Asking for a place of tribute to our friends isn't asking too much.

Dantes.

"Before you diagnose yourself with low selfesteem and depression, you should first make sure, that you are not just, in fact, surrounded by assholes".
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-01-13 12:58:47 UTC
if you only knew them from their character name in a pretend spaceship game, they weren't your 'friends'

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Winters Chill
Unitas Incorporated
#3 - 2012-01-13 13:22:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Winters Chill
Not everyone looks at playing MMOs in the same way, in fact surprisingly most of the "normals" consider them a childish waste of
time.


It is likely therefore that a memorial/funeral in an MMOG could be considered superficial, childish and an insult to the memory of the deceased. While someone may want their tombstone to be made out of lego, it does not mean the family would agree. So a family might get a little annoyed if members of the local lego club (whom they had never met) decided to take it upon themselves to make said lego memorial.


"Just because you think it is acceptable doe not mean everyone else will".



I personally find it very morbid when people choose to "honour" dead corp mates in eve. I play eve to escape the horrors of everyday life not to be reminded of it. I suspect that once people actually stop playing eve for a few hours and go outside and experience real life they might stop playing at being make believe adults (honouring the dead in a video game) and become a real adult (honouring the dead in an appropriate way that celebrates their real life achievements). If you want to honour a dead corp mate, send the family a card or some flowers, or better yet, turn off eve and go to the funeral.
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-01-13 14:19:24 UTC
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Jenshae Chiroptera
#5 - 2012-01-13 14:27:04 UTC
Names quickly become meaningless, just go wander around any cemetery. You can't make your mark on the world, weather and time will eventually wipe you out.

Example: Give me the names of the artists that drew the Nazca Lines.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Dantes Wolf
Interstellar Corporation of Universal Management
#6 - 2012-01-13 14:41:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Dantes Wolf
I see both your points, i also, however, belive, that you are both neanderthals.

Nothing more.

This "game" isnt WoW, or some other derelicht timersby with loose connections and a halfbred dedication. Its a client, who's entire existance is based entirely on the community who plays in it, and as such offers almost nothing but frames for social interaction.

Yes, we hide behind an alias, and yes, the label is entertainment.

However, so are sports, political unions, parties.. comrades in wars...

We devote years, if not decades here. Dayly, hours on end with people we come to love and trust under frames which, except for the slight difference that you cant send a hug, or read the body language, differs in no way from that of the above.

This, to me, is enough to post this thread, simply because, no matter your personal dedication to this game, it means a whole lot more to a whole lot more, then you two represent.

As such, and because people will continue to die, and people will be missed, I find it suiting that a place of honour, in what ever shape it might take, would be a small gesture from CCP to its community.

Simple as that, and I stand by it.

Going back to you being neanderthals, i wanna say this:

When the radio came out, it was the worst thing to happen to the youth "You could hear negro spirits on it for crying out loud" - when TV came after, it was Violence that was the issue - before those, newspapers, photography, comics.. everything new has had a riot on it, and restrictions send towards em, or at least the attempt to. Today, all those things are dayly life, and tho discutions on some events still takes place, the general idea is "**** it, let people make up their own minds" to which i agree.

What is my point?

This: you might find it hard to accept that a funeral can take place in a MMO, that people can show respect for their friends in one, and generally shake your head because the whole idea is beyond you. But to me that is just sad - you really think people love less? care less? mourne less, for those who die, then in real life? Just cause its an MMO?

To me your ideas are sad and soon extinct. If in doubt, then try to imagine 10 or 30 or 100 years from now - do you really think this "PC - life" is a temporary thing? No, and as such people will want from it what they can.

Also a place to show respect to the people they meet in it.

It's just natural, and called progress.

Dantes

"Before you diagnose yourself with low selfesteem and depression, you should first make sure, that you are not just, in fact, surrounded by assholes".
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#7 - 2012-01-13 15:14:06 UTC
Dantes Wolf wrote:


Hall of the dead.

An EVE burial ground



A place of memory.

Death comes to us all, weather we want it or not, an issue that should be embraced, with grace, but still embraced.

EVE will be around for possibly hundreds of years, if not more, and its player bulk, us, will change as we die, and new blood takes our place.

But what about those of us who are still here? Where do we mourne our comrades who are buried, possibly thousands of kilometers away?

And where do we send our friends, when we fall?

At the moment we are left to alternate sites, to a candle in the window or to memories, but with all respect, EVE is where we meet, where we met and where we lived.

Shouldnt this, the connection, be honoured where it happened?

Imho, we deserve a burial ground, a place, a system, where we might fly to, to throw a flower, light a candle, shoot a bandoleer off in memory, and to pay our respects to the fallen.

I might be asking too much, but on the other hand, every one of us who lives here, will die at some point.

Asking for a place of tribute to our friends isn't asking too much.

Dantes.


I've tried to do this before but people didn't understand it . I guess it must be because of my advanced age... people didn't get it......

In RL people die... it's unavoidable and it affects us all... to those who are too young or too severe to care .... F*k you all.... death and mourning is a normal part of life and I believe a tribute in EVE can be a poweful and healing way to honour them... even if they were only "online" friends..... .

Since EVE and RL *must* intersect, I propose that CCP anchors a "fallen" monument somewhere in EVE where either a corpse or a "note" (wreath, flower, card (or whatever they invent for this...) can be stored to honour those who have fallen in RL.

Moreover, it should be a system where people can show their respects without worringing about anyone pissing on their ceremony.

T-
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-01-13 15:59:32 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
I propose that CCP anchors a "fallen" monument somewhere in EVE where either a corpse or a "note" (wreath, flower, card (or whatever they invent for this...) can be stored to honour those who have fallen in RL.


HOW VERY TOUCHING!
Nitsu
SergalJerk
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#9 - 2012-01-13 18:40:16 UTC
Victim: KYAX
RLN: Craig **Protected**
Died: 10-24-2009
Note: Embolism at a cinema. Died before arriving at hospital.
Note2: I had fun talking and flying with you for 2.5 years. You will be missed buddy. May you find peace in what ever afterlife there is.

You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are being warp scrambled... :(
Strigonde Kite
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-01-13 21:42:00 UTC
The memorial should honor birth as well as death, and in-between accidents. It might be constructed out of donated compementary Tritanium we all receive after you know what.
Devilprada
Industriel Might
#11 - 2012-01-14 03:49:26 UTC
I might be young but i still know how to mourn. And i agree that we need a place to mourn our friends and family if and when they die if they played eve that is.
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#12 - 2012-01-14 08:57:16 UTC
Devilprada wrote:
I might be young but i still know how to mourn. And i agree that we need a place to mourn our friends and family if and when they die if they played eve that is.


And you have it! Its your bio! But putting RL in Eve is detrimental to the immersion (akin to "breaking of the fourth wall" in cinema and television), so I'm against it.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#13 - 2012-01-14 10:21:16 UTC
We've had a number of instances that we the player base are aware of and not, of Eve players having passed on since Eve went live.

I think, we should perhaps consider a mechanism where we can report players who have died (irl) to customer support or w/e. Customer support could follow up on these reports (since eve subtracts moniez from their cards each month anyway, so they should have contact details or means of finding out this stuff), either by means of contacting the player (to see if there is no response over x amount of months from their email) or by means of contacting the person who's paying the bills each month (if its mommy or daddy and not the player).

If player is dead, add a tombstone in the graveyard(s) or w/e and cancel the account payment.

The more SP or the longer the character was around before passing on, the larger the tomb etc.

If the player is alive and well, he/she should respond after a few weeks/months if CCP contacted them via mail or phone or w/e.

I think this idea is viable. Would need fleshing out tho.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#14 - 2012-01-14 10:51:32 UTC
I did type a long rambling post about this... but when I took a step back and looked at it I realized that I was weighing in on the ethics, sociological aspects, and semantics of RL-Virtual relationships (of which I'll mercifully keep my opinions to myself on).

Put simply... this is a pandora's box here and I think should be left alone.

Fun fact: I believe that something like this was done in the past but for pod pilots who had simply "left" the game (or was it for pilots who just wanted a place to put their corpses in some RP thing? I forgot). Long story short; people came in and caused mayhem by blowing everything up.

How did you Veterans start?
bardaq
Iron Whales
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-01-14 11:12:48 UTC
please dont post again.

I play a game to have fun away from the stresses of real life.

I honestly don't care if anyone in here dies, you are all pixeles.

If you want to honour your 'friends' in here that have snuffed it, send there wife some flowers.
Dantes Wolf
Interstellar Corporation of Universal Management
#16 - 2012-01-15 10:56:06 UTC
To all ye naysayers.

It will come, sooner or later, it will come.

But feel free to live in the stone ages, i'm just airing a thought that will be commonsence when we will need it ;)

D.

"Before you diagnose yourself with low selfesteem and depression, you should first make sure, that you are not just, in fact, surrounded by assholes".