EVE General Discussion

It's probably never going to happen, but I would enjoy if it did. I have a few mill of SP I'd love to redistribute, but it would definitely need to be on like a 6 to 12 month cooldown to avoid abuse.

If people can't plan their characters rights, it's their own fault and they deserve a **** character.

Those are the key ones because of this:

1. Remap to all Perception and Willpower
2. Plug in just Perception and Willpower implants
3. Train something big like Carrier 5
4. Redistribute SP to w/e you want like Charisma heavy leadership skills
5. Repeat 3 and 4 ad infinitum

Personally, I rather like those two points. Removing learning implants or even removing the attribute system altogether would be the best thing that could happen to eve.

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Maybe not The Best thing, but Iit would be pretty good and would remove another obstacle that keeps carebears from going to lowsec.

I might also add that it would wreak havoc on the character bazaar

bah... ninjad

+1

Ai is a terribly organised character that has migrated from concept to concept. Starting to come to grips a bit better now, but taking that all away creates too big a disassociation between the character and the experience. I think it will have more of a negative influence on player / character association than one would expect.

While I agree with some of your points, how is this ^ a bad thing?

I know you never mentioned it, but to me, this is an example of pay-to-win - an ability gained for cash without effort or penalty.

A skill remap, however, is an ability gained with effort (you had to do the time to get the skill points) and a penalty (you lose an ability, whether you wanted it or not).

As long as there were time restrictions, something similar to attribute remaps, would it really be that bad?

(I will concede that Xercodo has a point about this being farmed/abused, but how is that different than the character bazaar?)

They won't, but it doesn't matter: while they're new, they won't be able to get so far/deep enough into something that it becomes a crippling mistake.

The supposed problem this idea solves is so minor compared to the massive problems it causes especially when it comes to older players' advantage over newer ones.

It turns a character from being a selection of (more or less) carefully chosen skills and deliberately picked attribute points, with trade-offs done at every point, into being just a big pile of SP… and guess who has the most SP to play with and who is thus better poised to take advantage of this situation?

New players won't always choose and plan correctly, but they can, will, and do learn. In fact, the current system rather forces them to, and that's a good thing. Once they've learned how to, they already can fix their mistakes and start learning things they didn't realise they needed before. Now imagine what will happen if they immediately get fed the notion of “your decisions don't matter — you can fix it later”.

They figure, three months in that, oh no, they made the wrong decision, so they fix it… except that they still haven't learned and thus break it even more instead, and are now trapped with a broken character until the next occasion enforced by the restriction. During all that time, they have to resort to the already existing avenues of fixing things: training what you wanted to do from the beginning. They also can't adapt all that quickly to the changes in balance or the introduction of new stuff. Older players, on the other hand, will save their resets for crucial points and always be able to instantly switch to the latest FOTM and pick up the new cool toys, reoptimising themselves for the new situation, and thus leaving the poor newbie in the dust.



On a more conceptual level, the issue is this: this idea comes from the level/class based systems where picking one class excludes you from everything else, and where, at some point, you might want to respec for a new class. EVE is not such a system. It doesn't have classes or levels. It doesn't exclude anything ever. If you want to “respec” you can do that: just train what you want. The fundamental problem that this idea is trying to solve doesn't exist in EVE, and as a result, the solution only breaks things rather than solve them. In particular, it massively screws over new players and makes large part of the character building mechanics completely irrelevant.
It's a bad thing because it ruins a legitimate player-run industry.

Also, it's no more pay-to-win that what the OP suggests — in fact, it's far less, since characters are limited in availability and are usually built towards a particular goal. If none exists, you can't buy that brand of “win” (and your desired brand might not even exist at all). Those characters are built with the same effort required to build up your own SP. What the OP suggests means you can buy your win just fine because there are no longer any restrictions on what's available to you. Again, you are no longer a set of skills (which is what you're buying in the character bazaar), but a pile of SP.

…and that's assuming we even buy the argument that it is pay-to-win to begin with (which is highly debatable, since it takes quite some time to learn to use such a character… some even suggests that it takes longer than it takes to gather the SP).

This is only needed if we were to respec to skills we cant train. In EVE, we can train all skills, so not needed.

It might be a good idea for new accounts in thier first 6 months. Some nooblets splash alot of SP around not knowing how the EVE niche system works but even there, adjusting SP is second thought. Most of them figure out they were wrong about EVE and will leave to find a game they will like. I really don't know if an SP reset system would entice them to stay or not.

For Vets, it's all about nerf proofing and dropping skills for FotM isn't something they will do.

Adding this as a multiple use feature would do us good in terms of pigeon holing CCP and thier nerf bat because we could just respec out of the nerf but that said, don't count on it happening.