Science & Industry

For those pilots who live in nullsec, I was just curious as to what is your opinion of alliances or corps who have the best and worst logistics...or even lack of a strong logistics backbone.

Bah. Posted to wrong forum. This was meant for Science and Industry. Appreciated if a Mod can move this thread.

This.

Why is it such a challenge to have a strong logistics backbone in nullsec? Is it simply just not choosing to have one or incompetence on their part? Aren't there tons of industrialist to recruit into nullsec to help build that backbone?

Plus, probably 95% of the people you're supporting with that logistics think that fuel / ammo / whatever just magically shows up in the station hangar / corp array for their use.

So they don't think that what you're doing with that JF matters.

Which means no defense, no help, and you're generally treated like dirt for being a freighter pilot.

Is that about right?

Where is the risk in cynoing to lowsec?

You set up the cyno in dock range of a station (ensuring that the area around the cyno is free space so the entering JF doesn't bump). Pick a station that doesn't suck. Some do, you'll learn which ones fairly quickly. Depends on the dock range and on the "kickout" the station gives on undock. Never, Ever, Ever Cyno a JF to a POS at lowsec. Ever. You also don't cyno a JF to a POS in 0.0 if you can in any way avoid it, the exception being cynogens in scouted systems certified to be free of hostiles. Zero. None. Zilch. One enemy can be a cloaked cyno recon ready to drop 459384789 supercaps on your JF.

Cyno up, JF jumps, begins to wait out the session timer.

If anything happens during that session timer, JF pilot hits "dock" the second the timer expires and hides under a rock. If not, JF pilot hits "warp" to 0 on highsec gate or to a friendly POS if there is a further jump. Only way something might happen here is if the system has hostiles and they immediately warp to cyno and somehow manage to bump the JF out of dock range before the session timer expires. With the session timer getting shorter with the next patch, this is becoming almost impossible. As long as the timer is running, JF cannot be shot at but this stays true only as long as the JF pilot doesn't do anything (click in space to move, try to warp)

Cyno ship may die. Cyno ships are expendable. Cyno alt clones are expendable. You can lose 1000 cyno ships as long as the JF is safe. I personally have a fun tally of all my cyno pilot losses and consider it a honor list of fallen ships and clones that have died in the line of duty to serve a greater good and move on. I also have a stack of frigates and cynogen modules on hand at all relevant systems.

The only real risk is if your pilot is in a corp that is at war and you get harassed on the high sec side. In such cases you either need scouts to get the JF to the first highsec station for transfer between the JF and noobcorp freighter alt. Alternatively you have to switch pilots while docked at the lowsec station (requires noobcorp pilot capable of flying a JF) or bring a noobcorp freighter into the lowsec system and do cargo transfer there. Usually the easiest method is to scout the JF to the first highsec system and not do any moves if hostiles are around.

JF losses require active stupid piloting - most common one being jump to 0.0 cyno gen unscouted, assuming the cynogen system is empty like it always is (and hey the gen is on an armed POS anyway) :whatcouldpossiblygowrong:. Plenty of stupid piloting like that in EVE but if you play it smart, it is fairly hard to lose a JF.

well. Shadow of xXDEATHXx is good enough with logistics. Looks like many good smart people got their hangs on it.

From my perspective logistics in IT was implemented much worse. However there were my first months in 0.0 space so i could miss many things and can be simply wrong here.

From my experience....the old Wildly Inappropriate had amazing logistics, often times we would move our fleets and staging systems half way across the universe within a matter of ~2-3 days. Which is fairly impressive considering the logistical nightmare that is moving around like that.

PL Should also be noted, dear god I never thought anyone could set up cyno chains on the fly so quickly when you need to move from curse to fountain (Roughly 6 or something titan bridges) in a matter of 10-30 min, just to kill a CCP fleet.

I used to run logis for myself form period basis with everything in between Chamemi and Period basis. In a Rorqual.

I did not charge anything. cause i was always half empty when i was doing that.

After my corpies saw what im doing i was spammed. 10 people needed around 2 jumps up and down a week. and bare im mind you cannot transport ships in Rorqual even if you want.

It's not hard to find stations where you can cyno in 10km+ inside dock range. The cloaked mach has to be at least 2km outside dock range. He has 20s to decloak, move between the station and you, and bump you 10km. It's nearly impossible.