Science & Industry

That much is true.....

....except that the chance of a new item being worthwhile is as RARE as the percentage of the current ones.

I know about them. I played for a while when the T2 BPO lottery was still going on. And no, it does not make me rage, it's quite simply not worth the energy to ***** about. At least not as much as I keep seeing in here. There weren't enough of them to even come close to supplying the market for T2 goods.

And no, as I think I said near the beginning... I got one run through of the T2 tractors before they weren't worth it for me to make. I expect everyone jumped on that exact same bandwagon and oversaturated the market. It's getting closer to worthwhile again, so I may go back to them again shortly, and still have some BPCs both T1 and T2 waiting for the right time.

T2 BPO = Idiocy

''T2 BPO barely effects the market, cry cry cry, No I'm not willing to give up MY BPO even though I got it for **** all Cry cry.''

''Because in fact T2BPO allows me to skip the whole invention stage which is the most time consuming and expensive part of T2 production. I'd rather just sit here burning copies at minimal cost of my BPO while spamming forums about how this BPO in no way ruins invention for 99% of eve.''

CCP is dumb for allowing T2 BPO, further ******** for giving them out for free to selected players and further derpy for not retracting these gifted items.

My beef is more towards how I had to hover over the labs while doing the research, not so much the success ratio or even the quality or runs the BPC I got back. I expected a crappy ratio, so I went in knowing full well. The research took an hour 15 per BPC, so every hour or so I would have had to come back to the POS, requeue, then go back to doing what I was doing, which was a major distraction.

If the mechanic was changed so that it worked the same as queuing skill sets, it'd probably get more people into it, myself included, even at the base skill set. What I mean by that is allow it so you can queue up as many invention processes you want, just so long the total time per slot is UNDER 24 hours for all things queued, and it'd only take one slot of research skill. So I could queue up 19 research projects in one slot.

OMG what a DUMB thing to say. ROFL


In case you do not know, the cheapest T2 BPO in the last 2 years was 27 BILLION ISK.

Feel free to buy the next one.

I'm just saying they're not unobtainable, expensive - yes, very little chance of payback - yes, but they do come up for sale, it's up to you if you think it's *worth* the isk or not.

There are many things in eve not worth the isk/hour they get, yet people do it. Maybe they're not as profit obsessed as you.
As long as you're not making a loss then who cares, stick to T1 manufacturing if you can't make T2 pay, seems quite simple to me.

And as for the cheapest T2 BPO in the last 2 years being 27 BILLION ISK. maybe you should check the sell orders forum more often.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53494

there's 10 in that lot that went for under 27 billion to start off with. There are several that went way over 27 billion, but if you can only afford a ford you don't go looking at ferrari's

They weren't given free, they were a lottery. If you did research then you had the *Chance* of winning.

Much as in life, if you play lotteries you have a *Chance* of winning, but the chances are slim, yet do we start knocking down the doors of the lottery organisers complaining that it's unfair since not everyone who plays wins? do we ask that they winners give their winnings back since they can now afford to invest in risky but profitable ventures that we mere mortals can't?

No we don't.

They were won (mostly fair and square), and even though CCP have realised it was wrong, it's done and not a lot is going to change, and I hope it doesn't, the day ccp give in to whine power, is the day we'll get capital mining ships roaming round empire sucking in whole asteroid belts, processing them and churning out ships at the back end.

Sure, the original T2 BPO's owners don't have to worry about payback periods, and they've got a big capital sum sat there, but so what? good luck to them.

They're never going to re-introduce T2 BPO's, so the only other way you'll be happy is to make invention a much higher chance of success, but even if they make it 99% I'll guarantee that the 1% failure someone has will send them straight to the forums complaining they've had a failure, and the T2 BPO's have got it made.

Suppose someone joins now, they weren't in the game when CCP gave away the Aurum so does CCP take aurum away from everyone, same principle different scale.

I really don't know what people expect CCP to do, remove T2 BPO's doesn't seem fair, how do they recompense the players who won them? they've never had to pay for them, but they still have an intrinsic value since they're potentially worth billions of isk if they're sold, but you can't expect CCP to not recompense someone who's paid for one.

There will never be a solution that suits all, the fairest way is to recompense the players that have bought them and then seed all T2 BPO's on the market, but that's not going to happen any day soon.

It's not hovering over them in the sense of a fear of loss. It's that you start an invention job, it's done in just over an hour. If you use the same toon for invention as other stuff, you have to go and pause the other stuff every hour and fifteen to complete those jobs and start new ones. I usually queue up 5 at my lab, and then 5 more, and come back to it in 2.5 hours if I'm still on, or wait until I log back on. It's enough for me to hold current, but not really to expand, so I'm building a second invention toon.

So you either have to stick your nose in every hour plus a little, or you have a lot of dead time invention-wise.

what exactly the problem is? i don't get it.

maybe you didn't know that you can set up a POS in high sec? all you need is 5.0 standing to some faction that owns high sec 0.5 system, scales up to 7.0 for 0.7 system -- with free moons of course.

you don't need to keep the POS up all the time, just do the copying and remove it, drop it on a nearest NPC station until the next time you'll need a copying done. plan ahead what copies will you need in the following months so you don't have to put it up/down too often.

unlike copying slots, the invention and manufacturing slots are abundant in high sec so the copying is the only bottleneck there is. too many people giving up as soon as they see this copy slots situation is the only reason invention/t2 production is still somewhat profitable.

You have won the award for "Queen of Argumetation" for these thread posts ! Congratulations.

You are SO outside the corrall on this one..........