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Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-01-13 14:31:38 UTC
Antodias wrote:
Arcosian wrote:
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I believe humans will eventually get around to developing space travel to a practical level but until there is profit to be made or humanity's survival depends on it I don't see it happening for at least the next 100 years which shouldn't matter to most of us since we will be dead. Hopefully, I'm wrong though as I sure would like to live and retire on a starship.


I don't believe it'll happen within 1000 years, and I doubt even less humanity will exist long enough, at least not without going through some technological dark age.




Sad but realistic, all things considered. A more immediate option for interstellar travel may be a merkaba space/multi-dimensional vehicle.
Vicker Lahn'se
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-01-13 18:29:32 UTC
Rainus Max wrote:
Arcosian wrote:
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Arcosian wrote:


In 1000 years I hope we would have a regular form a space travel but it would take a major development in propulsion technology (something other than chemical rockets) to achieve that in 100 years. Hopefully, I'm wrong but space travel is a little more tricky than building an airplane.



We already have space planes Big smile

It's kind of discouraging that we have no solid way of deflecting an incoming asteroid outside of theory and the world is going to end in 2032 when Apophis hits and this whole discusion is moot Straight

Lol @ spaceplanes. Spaceship one and the X-37 are rockets with wings not true spaceplanes Blink And true we don't know what the future holds for humanity so theorizing/arguing on the future of space travel 1000 years from now doesn't make sense as everyone alive today will be dead. That's why in my previous posts I'm not making claims about sci-fi stuff of the future.


How about this then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylon_(spacecraft)

There is also the 'next step' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus-X, terrible name but then the USA was never that good at naming things, everything has to be an acronym.


Rather strangely me and some mates were discussing the Colonization of Venus, we bumped into this interesting idea:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonizing_Venus#Aerostat_habitats_and_floating_cities

Perfectly acceptable and an interesting way of doing it, theres no reason that you have to live on the surface. We also discussed launching the planet at Jupiter so you could use the Hydrogen in the atmosphere to biologically reduce Venus' cloud layer Shocked.


Why go through all that trouble if you can just colonize Mars without building a floating city?
Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2012-01-13 19:11:18 UTC
Vicker Lahn'se wrote:

Why go through all that trouble if you can just colonize Mars without building a floating city?


Because its easier - you dont need pressurised & heated habitats and the returns are fairly quick all you need to harvest the atmosphere is a vacuum and a long hose. you can actually go out side without a pressure suit (just need breathing equipment and acid rain proof suits)

You can also do a lot with stuff found in the atmosphere, a huge supply of compressible gas for spaceship thrusters for a start.
Vicker Lahn'se
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-01-13 20:25:50 UTC
Rainus Max wrote:
Vicker Lahn'se wrote:

Why go through all that trouble if you can just colonize Mars without building a floating city?


Because its easier - you dont need pressurised & heated habitats and the returns are fairly quick all you need to harvest the atmosphere is a vacuum and a long hose. you can actually go out side without a pressure suit (just need breathing equipment and acid rain proof suits)

You can also do a lot with stuff found in the atmosphere, a huge supply of compressible gas for spaceship thrusters for a start.


So you're claiming that it's easier to float in an atmosphere of sulfuric acid than to build on the ground in a low pressure carbon dioxide atmosphere?
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-01-13 21:21:07 UTC
I would like to point out that you will need heating on mars as in winter it gets down to -107 degrees (celsius)

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Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2012-01-14 15:16:18 UTC
Vicker Lahn'se wrote:
Rainus Max wrote:
Vicker Lahn'se wrote:

Why go through all that trouble if you can just colonize Mars without building a floating city?


Because its easier - you dont need pressurised & heated habitats and the returns are fairly quick all you need to harvest the atmosphere is a vacuum and a long hose. you can actually go out side without a pressure suit (just need breathing equipment and acid rain proof suits)

You can also do a lot with stuff found in the atmosphere, a huge supply of compressible gas for spaceship thrusters for a start.


So you're claiming that it's easier to float in an atmosphere of sulfuric acid than to build on the ground in a low pressure carbon dioxide atmosphere?


If you read the section in wiki, yes - you float above the vast majority of the atmosphere and acid protection is fairly simple because we have been doing it for yonks here on earth (glass and ceramics). As long as you plan the construction properly you wouldnt even need anything that exotic to float, the same composition of the earths atmosphere on venus would give it 60% of the lifting power of helium here on earth. Its also safer if you get a hull breach - as its roughly equal pressure outside you dont suffer explosive decompression and have time to fix the breach.

It also allows you to bypass the problems of low gravity that you would on mars, something that is currently impossible to deal with.

I'm not saying its simple and it definitely sounds wacky but 100 years ago going to space was a fairly wacky idea.
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