EVE General Discussion

we will call this The Alpha Problem, i have no problem with 1000 man fleets, large fleets are cool whats not cool is the fact that the best tactic that we have is to have ever one to shoot the same guy.


Show of support for getting dev time for fixing the Alpha problem.



we all know the HP buff did nothing to curb the Alpha problem

we know there's a large part of eve that hates the Alpha problem

we know there a large part of EvE that wish for a more tactic's filled game*

we know no one in EvE can agree on a way to fix this with out someone screaming IT R COULD BE EXPLOITED

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so here is my idea to get the the Alpha problem to go away



ever one has to agree its a problem and get CCP to fix it



that's the hole of my plan, so lets stop throwing poo at each other long enough to get the game we play to be fun and not the 1 trick game it is now.


i know it hurts some of you to think of a new way to do battle, but whats the motto of eve "HTFU or go back to WoW"

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this is not a place to talk about how to fix it this is simply a thread to get it looked at by the only people that can fix this problem the Devs

Look for that thread about how the more people locking onto one target, the slower the lock times become for subsequent enemies, then bump that.

It's not a problem. You have failed already.



Take the hint.

what possible alternative is there when you have a 1k ship fleet?
when you have overwhelming firepower the only tactic is blowing the living **** out of the enemy

and usually nobody needs to say shoot, everyone does it on their own

they call that tactics I believe

no that's called having 1 answer, tactics are used to out smart the person your fighting



i hate to say it but a game of COD, being the pile of crap it is has more tactics in it then a large scale null sec fight.



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post @ Morganta

Edit: Off topic part removed, CCP Phantom.

point is if you are all alone and facing a thousand man fleet you already failed and they already out smarted you, the dance is over, all that's left is the death blow

even if your fleet is half their size you lost, not necessarily to superior tactics on their part, but certainly to sub par tactics on the part of your fleet.

if you don't know there's a fleet 1k in size roaming around you failed on the most basic level

in eve the tactical part of blob warfare happens long before the 2 forces meet on the field
if its mutual you made a bad tactical decision, if its not mutual you still made a bad tactical decision

There are a few good arguments in here, and I'm hardly in a position to dispute them, but this prompted me to look up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_tactics, and compare it.

I would guess that "Force concentration" is what people are complaining about, but it would be interesting if some of the other tactics were more viable in this game. Obviously, things involving weather or terrain don't really apply to a space environment (and hiding behind asteroids and using "smoke-screens" of some kind would involve line-of-sight calculations which people have argued against in other threads).

"Camouflage", I guess, has transformed into cloaking, but to be consistent with that idea, if I'm "found", I can be "lost" again if I use the right tactics. So why can't I cloak if someone has target-lock on me? I'm technically harmless while cloaked, right? (I'm sure someone will come up with a gameplay reason why that would be "overpowered", but that's just an example.)

"Deception" would be interesting - what if I could disguise myself as blue temporarily and warp into the middle of an enemy fleet - surprise!
Or disguise myself as an asteroid, as has been mentioned in other threads.

"ECM" you all know and love - I'm sure 200 Falcons dropping in to say "Hi" are welcomed with open arms!
A variation on that though, is radio jamming - what if someone could disrupt the enemies fleet chat? (everyone would go to voice/TS3, etc, but it would certainly make things interesting. Perhaps too disruptive for a computer game, though, which is hardly a life or death situation...)

"Flanking" is something that could be interesting - is it possible to do that in EVE? It says the main goal of flanking is to restrict movement, which I suppose the bubble does now.

A futuristic equivalent of fortifications could be the projection of a force-field around whom you suspect to be the alpha-target - something projected by logis for example, that can absorb enormous amounts of firepower, perhaps blocking out-going weapons fire, and having longish cycle times, to balance it. Would that force/encourage the selection of multiple alpha-targets by the other fleet, perhaps with bluffing attacks on false-alphas so logis protect the wrong target?
(Clarification: a force-field prevents damage, whereas a logi heals damage already done, therefore it's different to just having extra logis)

OP don't like big fights, don't get in to big fights. ya just warp away and go find the fight you like. It's out there go get it. there some people want huge epic ships Michel Baying every were why do they not get to have it?

Strategy should be more important than who can bring the most ships, and thus alpha the fastest.