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[PROPOSAL] Support Tug-class Vessel

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#381 - 2013-12-28 08:06:40 UTC
Let's keep it going guys! Show that you want this!

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#382 - 2014-01-21 00:48:02 UTC
We can has?

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Omega Flames
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#383 - 2014-01-22 09:16:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Flames
Jack Carrigan wrote:
We can has?

was thinking about this recently and thought maybe we could even do up versions of them like the current industrials.

A t1 hauler version that can barely haul the largest bc size (270,000m3 or 400,000m3 if you include the industrials). Since the orca can currently haul 400,000m3 in it's ship maintenance bay and having a t1 hauler that could compete on that level may be a bit imbalanced you could drop it down to barely haul the largest cruiser size (120,000m3 or 200,000m3 if you include mining barges) or maybe barely haul 2 of the largest cruiser size (240,000m3).

A freighter size that can barely haul 8 of the largest bs size (4,760,000m3). (this makes it 2x as good as the jump freighter version)

A jump freighter size that can barely haul 4 of the largest bs size (2,380,000m3). (this makes it 2x as good as carriers are currently)
Anthar Thebess
#384 - 2014-01-22 15:01:09 UTC
Like but no bonus for defensive capabilities.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#385 - 2014-01-22 15:34:30 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Like but no bonus for defensive capabilities.


And why not?

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#386 - 2014-01-25 00:42:14 UTC
With all of the new things being added to the game, this would be an amazing help to those just getting started, or who wanted to be suppliers for war torn corporations by moving ships for them. We need this!

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#387 - 2014-02-01 05:09:51 UTC
CCP is constantly speaking of player-driven content. Well, I say a prime opportunity for more of this is to let players come up with well thought out, well researched ship ideas, and submit them directly to CCP through some channels (either through CSM, or create some form of means of sending in a design package (with basic design ideas) to CCP for approval (even if they have to tweak it)).

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#388 - 2014-02-01 22:54:40 UTC
Let's get some more support rolling for this idea. It is something that will benefit EVERY SINGLE EVE PLAYER in some way or another.

Miners sell the minerals to industrialists to build them.
Industrialists sell the ones they build.
Haulers make money using them.
And pirates get to gank them!

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Wesley Otsdarva
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#389 - 2014-02-02 01:26:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Wesley Otsdarva
I wholly support this idea, IF it had jump capabilities. Otherwise it's just easier to use a JF. Or a carrier.

But yes, moving rigged ships is a pain unless you have a big alliance or corp to fall behind. I would like something for the littler guys. In fact I was actually thinking of posting the idea of a smaller freighter. Simply due to the fact that you have two options to haul stuff. the ~20K m3 offered by t1 industrials for non specific cargo. or 450K-900K offered by freighters.
Arsala
Minmatar Mining and Manufacturing.
#390 - 2014-02-02 02:33:57 UTC
Great Idea. Something that has been needed for a very long time.
Matokin Lemant
#391 - 2014-02-02 07:55:40 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
I suggested something in reference to this idea before it was fully fleshed out in Features and Ideas to "test the waters" and get ideas/support for the idea before making the proposal here.

The original posting can be found here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=296673#post296673

It met much support, so I figured to post it here with the full listing of ideas that were proposed.

Now for the proposal itself:

Too long have people been complaining in reference to the inability to haul fitted/rigged vessels, to which the response was always "get an Orca." The inherent problem here, was that the Orca was severely limited in size of vessels which would be transported, as it was only designed to carry a couple of mining barges.

What I propose is a ship capable of hauling three fitted/rigged Tier 3 Battleships (but no capital ships). The vessels would be Tier 2 Freighters, broken down by race. And rather than a Ship Hangar Array, they would have a Ship Transport Bay (which would only allow for transport, but not launching or switching of ships in space). They would have no high slots, but would have a small amount of low and medium slots to allow them to fit a modest tank and ECM/Sensor Damps, etc, so that they would not be sitting ducks due to the cargo types they'd be hauling, and they'd be highly specialized for their job.

The Amarr would have the Pillar-class Support Tug:
Manufactured by Imperial Shipment
Support Tug Skill Bonus:
Would receive a 5% bonus to Armor Resistances per level and 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level

The Caldari would have the Pelican-class Support Tug:
Manufactured by Lai Dai
Support Tug Skill Bonus:
Would receive a 5% bonus to Shield Capacity per level and 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level

The Minmatar would have the Bedouin-class Support Tug:
Manufactured by Freedom Extension
Support Tug Skill Bonus:
Would receive a 5% bonus to Agility per level and a 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level

The Gallente would have the Monolith-class Support Tug:
Manufactured by Transtellar Shipping
Support Tug Skill Bonus:
Would receive a 5% bonus to Armor Hitpoints and a 10% bonus to Ship Transport Bay per level

Freighter Skill Bonus:
+0.6 Warp Strength per level

Necessary Skills:
Racial Freighter II
- Advanced Spaceship Command I
-- Spaceship Command V
Racial Industrial V
- Spaceship Command III
-- Racial Frigate III
-- Spaceship Command I

These ships would allow for the transport of a maximum of three fitted/rigged Tier 3 Battleships or a plethora of smaller ships for long distance hauling (would be useful for those pilots who move frequently, neutral contractors who could haul ships for war stricken parties, and it would give a new level of immersion for dedicated industrialists or "space truckers.") These ships would fill a necessary logistical gap in overall operations for the ever-changing sandbox that is the EVE Online universe.


I like the idea but I would love to see them be able to use the Micro Jump Drive, with 50% reduction in reactivation delay

Other then that +1 from me
Wesley Otsdarva
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#392 - 2014-02-02 17:32:04 UTC
Matokin Lemant wrote:


I like the idea but I would love to see them be able to use the Micro Jump Drive, with 50% reduction in reactivation delay

Other then that +1 from me



Why a microjump drive? travelling 100km is not important for a hauler. Using actual jump drives to get across many systems however, is important. If it's to stop people from scramming you and killing you 100K won't save you from an inty.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#393 - 2014-02-05 22:39:08 UTC
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:
Matokin Lemant wrote:


I like the idea but I would love to see them be able to use the Micro Jump Drive, with 50% reduction in reactivation delay

Other then that +1 from me



Why a microjump drive? travelling 100km is not important for a hauler. Using actual jump drives to get across many systems however, is important. If it's to stop people from scramming you and killing you 100K won't save you from an inty.


Someone didn't think that thought through, considering the Crow especially, which runs at damned near 5km/s. Would take about 20 seconds to get there, which means.... you'd be screwed, especially since the most favored Crow fits favor a long point, which runs about a 24km range. So with that in mind, in about 15 seconds, you'd be pointed and would stand no chance of escaping, even with maxed navigation skills.

Jump capable, maybe, in a T2 variant later down the road.

But first, it would be nice to get a standard variant so that people could just haul their fitted/rigged ships with some form of defensive capability (tank and/or EWAR).

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#394 - 2014-02-07 00:38:53 UTC
Keep the support train rolling. We've gotten the CSM's attention. Let everyone you know that WE WANT THIS!!!!

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#395 - 2014-02-10 03:45:53 UTC
Keep pushing for this.

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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#396 - 2014-02-11 18:05:41 UTC
So yes we definitely need this however, we already have this its called a Carrier. Next someone will want to carry 5 BS, then 10, then 15. When does it stop?

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#397 - 2014-02-11 20:18:27 UTC
I think you completely missed the point. As stated, this won't be able to launch in space, and furthermore is helping round out industry to better balance with their combat counterparts.

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Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#398 - 2014-02-12 07:51:08 UTC
I was chatting with someone on skype today about the tugboat concept and they saw it as a loot pinata

Which it would be, in a way, depending on its death mechanics.

But I suggested an addendum to aggro mechanics that any owner of a ship in the line would have 'return fire rights' of a lmiited engagement. Think of a chain of industrials towed by the tug but with escort ships that had a stake in seeing the caravan gets to the destination.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#399 - 2014-02-13 01:47:53 UTC
I'll definitely put some thought into it, and appreciate both the support and input. Just off the cuff I would say that attacking one could extend aggro to either the corporation of the pilot or the owners of the cargo.
Mike Azariah wrote:
I was chatting with someone on skype today about the tugboat concept and they saw it as a loot pinata

Which it would be, in a way, depending on its death mechanics.

But I suggested an addendum to aggro mechanics that any owner of a ship in the line would have 'return fire rights' of a lmiited engagement. Think of a chain of industrials towed by the tug but with escort ships that had a stake in seeing the caravan gets to the destination.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#400 - 2014-02-13 18:34:00 UTC
Anyone else have any suggestions on aggro?

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