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Star Wars the Old Republic just another failure of the failed MMO Genre

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Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-01-12 15:30:59 UTC
New MMOs are just made to make easy money, and they keep getting made since they actually make money. They don't need to be good, just sell enough to make a profit. The ones holding the moeny bags only put money in "safe" things like this. E.g. EA making MMOs, and other titles.

Personally I find this to be sad, and I do not waste my time with any new MMO. EVE still holds my attention becuas it actually focuses on being an MMO doing it's own thing, with a very strong player interaction.

No palyer interaction in MMO = boring grindfest wow clone. They will mske some money, but never duplicate wow's success. Eventually they will realize this, but tehy will milk it for what it is worht first.

This is not just in MMOs however. But in most big new titles form big companies. Like all the boring new fps games they churn out. No innovation, no new things. They just get dumber and dumber. To me, the sadest part is people actually buying them, and playing them. I can understand a kid getting it, since he has no perspective or reference, but folks that have been around a while should know better.

Now and then the odd good game does come out, but the best games are usually by small indie devs these days. They tend to mix things up a bit, or actually want to make new things.
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-01-12 15:50:12 UTC
Gaming Hipster logic. "If it's popular it must suck, and therefore everyone who plays it is a tool except me."
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#43 - 2012-01-12 19:54:54 UTC
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
New MMOs are just made to make easy money, and they keep getting made since they actually make money. They don't need to be good, just sell enough to make a profit. The ones holding the money bags only put money in "safe" things like this. E.g. EA making MMOs, and other titles.

Personally I find this to be sad, and I do not waste my time with any new MMO. EVE still holds my attention because it actually focuses on being an MMO doing it's own thing, with a very strong player interaction.

No player interaction in MMO = boring grind-fest wow clone. They will mske some money, but never duplicate wow's success. Eventually they will realize this, but they will milk it for what it is worth first.

This is not just in MMOs however. But in most big new titles form big companies. Like all the boring new fps games they churn out. No innovation, no new things. They just get dumber and dumber. To me, the saddest part is people actually buying them, and playing them. I can understand a kid getting it, since he has no perspective or reference, but folks that have been around a while should know better.

Now and then the odd good game does come out, but the best games are usually by small indie devs these days. They tend to mix things up a bit, or actually want to make new things.


Yup, those summer breaks never ended when you were 10, did they? Now, one month is a few blinks and snooze hits on the alarm clock. I can barely believe xmas and new year are a distant hang-over behind me.

Gamers get replaced.

You will too, one day; when your hair is greyer than your avatar's and the kids playing games will have zero comprehension of game originality.

Not too different than 10 year-olds going to watch 'The Amazing Spiderman' this summer, because when the first one came out - they didn't even exist.

So, so long as people keep having sex, originality will continue to disappear.

AK

This space for rent.

AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#44 - 2012-01-12 19:57:14 UTC
Kattshiro wrote:
Gaming Hipster logic. "If it's popular it must suck, and therefore everyone who plays it is a tool except me."


heh, that's like the difference between a B**** and a W****.

A W**** will **** anyone, and a B**** will **** anyone except you

AK

This space for rent.

ariana ailith
Dukalin
#45 - 2012-01-13 15:35:11 UTC
just play openttd (www.openttd.org) and all will be well!
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#46 - 2012-01-13 22:26:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Barakkus wrote:
2bhammered wrote:

years? back to the, wait for hyped game? bah, can't be bothered, I was excited about SWTOR 4 years ago, I refuse to think I can't get a good MMO until 2016 and if that is the case then screw the industry, I will not put another cent into it until 2020 in that case.


I feel the same way honestly.
I have a great MMO idea, actually came up with it in 2000, all the people I had to work on it with me flaked out after about 8 months of going through the planning stages. This was before I knew what an MMO was and thought I had something no one else had thought of yet.

I may pursue it again, but going it solo looks like it would never actually be completed, especially since I suck in the graphics department. Unfortunately, EVE Online was released...which is very similar to the idea I had back in 2000, not quite, but very similar.


Just out of curiosity, Barakkus, what do you think of Infinity: Quest for Earth?
(If it ever goes beyond vapour-ware, then I have high hopes for this one, myself.)


E: Linky-fail fixed, I think.

New E: Or maybe not, quite: Click link ---> Welcome ---> Overview.

Ni.

Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#47 - 2012-01-13 22:43:21 UTC
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
New MMOs are just made to make easy money, and they keep getting made since they actually make money. They don't need to be good, just sell enough to make a profit. The ones holding the moeny bags only put money in "safe" things like this. E.g. EA making MMOs, and other titles.

Personally I find this to be sad, and I do not waste my time with any new MMO. EVE still holds my attention becuas it actually focuses on being an MMO doing it's own thing, with a very strong player interaction.

No palyer interaction in MMO = boring grindfest wow clone. They will mske some money, but never duplicate wow's success. Eventually they will realize this, but tehy will milk it for what it is worht first.

This is not just in MMOs however. But in most big new titles form big companies. Like all the boring new fps games they churn out. No innovation, no new things. They just get dumber and dumber. To me, the sadest part is people actually buying them, and playing them. I can understand a kid getting it, since he has no perspective or reference, but folks that have been around a while should know better.

Now and then the odd good game does come out, but the best games are usually by small indie devs these days. They tend to mix things up a bit, or actually want to make new things.


And, this.

The problem is, it's just another aspect of the ages-old entertainment industry, milking the sheep for as much product as possible. More generic, easily-digestible-to-more-people product = more volume sold per fiscal cycle = more money. That's never going to change.

Look at it this way:

Most generic MMOs are the equivalent of driving down the motorway at posted-speed, with all the other sheep, listening to ******* Nickelback* in a Chevy Malibu.

EVE is the only MMO I can see that instead puts you in an Aston Martin with some Slayer on the stereo turned up to 11, cruising all day at 200km/h as smoothly and easily as most "normal" cars do at 80.

Like all proper English Grand Tourers, that AM has its' quirks, and it's definitely not for everybody, but which of the two experiences would you find more memorable, rewarding, and look forward to repeating? Yeah, I thought so.

*On behalf of all Canadians everywhere, I hereby offer sincere and heartfelt apologies for unleashing that musical abortion on the world--Clearly, not one of our classier exportsUgh.

Ni.

Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#48 - 2012-01-13 22:56:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Words can't express how profoundly disappointing I found SW: tOR.

****, I can just go play WoW, can't I? It's at least a known quantity that you know has/will have development resources put into it!

And how big an SW fan am I?

Look at it this way--I want to get my full mechanical engineering Master's degree (from 2-year Technologist diploma at present) because, even at damn near age 40, I still get inspired for ideas, and it just makes me feel good in general, by daydreaming of parking an X-Wing fighter in my drive.

(And for you young'uns, yes, Solo did shoot first, and had every right to!)

E: In all fairness, though, nothing--and I mean nothing--is ever going to live up to that level of hype, either, no matter how good it is. And SW: tOR isn't even close to being that good.

Ni.

Mohr Cowbell
KarmaFleet University
#49 - 2012-01-13 23:19:27 UTC
Well just my 2 cents, but I think TOR is one of the best MMO's I've played -- and I've at least tried many of them since EQ1.

I like it because it is story and choice driven, and I imagine that's probably why its a game you'll either love or hate. When I first tried it during the beta, I thought it sucked because it really wasn't what I was expecting. I knew it was story driven, but, didn't know there was so much damn dialogue to it. (TBH there is too much damn dialogue sometimes.)

Now I don't like the fact that there is no out-of-game features, such as the ability to look at your character info on the web and such. Really, come on dudes. That and the forums suck hard (no search???? what the christ).
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#50 - 2012-01-14 00:47:40 UTC
Call me odd , but the damn voiceovers ruined my Dragon Age experience. I kinda tolerated them a bit in Kotor, but I remember my fav companion in DA was the DOG.

What's with the voiceover frenzy? For that I'd rather see them DO a game only movie like Privateer 2 or the old Sierra FMV games of yesteryear.

Oh look, we have a lot of voiceovers here @%@^!^#$^!$#^$# makes me wanna tear my eyes out. Same reason I use only Ventrilo/TS under duress or a raid op in whatever mmo I'm in, rest im out of it. I hate hearing people breathe at all, at least if you doing "weird coo"voiceover do the WHOLE thing and re create the multiple ending and plots movies from FUTURAMA and call it a GAME.

At this rate all MMO's will just be multiple choice menu based "games" that rely on the so called "interactivity".

That I could buy,

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#51 - 2012-01-14 02:22:17 UTC
Mohr Cowbell wrote:
Well just my 2 cents, but I think TOR is one of the best MMO's I've played -- and I've at least tried many of them since EQ1.

I like it because it is story and choice driven, and I imagine that's probably why its a game you'll either love or hate. When I first tried it during the beta, I thought it sucked because it really wasn't what I was expecting. I knew it was story driven, but, didn't know there was so much damn dialogue to it. (TBH there is too much damn dialogue sometimes.)

Now I don't like the fact that there is no out-of-game features, such as the ability to look at your character info on the web and such. Really, come on dudes. That and the forums suck hard (no search???? what the christ).


I am on the opposite side of that coin, I found the choices in TOR to be laughable at best and irrelevant at its worst because none of them was ever my decision as the game never let me make them.

The story was just a painful experience of absolute and total pointlessness. I pity the people that put six years of their life into developing this trash and if they ever wanted to commit suicide, I'd happily supply the bullets.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2012-01-14 02:55:39 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
I am on the opposite side of that coin, I found the choices in TOR to be laughable at best and irrelevant at its worst because none of them was ever my decision as the game never let me make them.


Same.

I was never big on the 'story' part, and prefer to play games for the sake of enjoying playing them. MMORPG isn't the best genre for that lately, but the choices gave me some hope. Too bad they aren't really choices. They take the choice out of your hands with game mechanics. Trying to gain favor with your companions with certain response types, use certain gear with light/dark point requirements. It all breaks down into more fluff you have to do to maximize pretty quickly.

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Raven Ether
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-01-14 12:43:07 UTC
People bought in all the hype EA and Bioware served them.

With such huge amounts of hyping, did you expect anything better?
Valei Khurelem
#54 - 2012-01-14 13:17:03 UTC
I agree, the more hype there is, the more suspicious you should get, that's what I do before considering buying any game on the market nowadays.

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2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#55 - 2012-01-14 14:53:15 UTC  |  Edited by: 2bhammered
Mohr Cowbell wrote:
Well just my 2 cents, but I think TOR is one of the best MMO's I've played -- and I've at least tried many of them since EQ1.

I like it because it is story and choice driven, and I imagine that's probably why its a game you'll either love or hate. When I first tried it during the beta, I thought it sucked because it really wasn't what I was expecting. I knew it was story driven, but, didn't know there was so much damn dialogue to it. (TBH there is too much damn dialogue sometimes.)

Now I don't like the fact that there is no out-of-game features, such as the ability to look at your character info on the web and such. Really, come on dudes. That and the forums suck hard (no search???? what the christ).



I played a lot of MMO's and I don't think SWTOR even has a right to call themselves an MMO. As far as singleplayer goes, where I live I am suppose to pay almost 70 EURO to be able to play it for only 1 month and the great story is like 2 hours for bounty hunter I played to level 50. The rest is missions/content that are the same for all classes all involving kill this and pick up that. So if I want to experience a "full campaign" again I need to play 1class on republic, then good luck finding someone willing to do it all over again... To put it into perspective, Skyrim comes with 300+-hours out of the box+no limit to when and for how long I can play it, also it supports mods and have a better community lol I got x10times more value and a better single player game from knights of the old republic 1 and 2 each. Also there are no multipleendings anyway, Mass Effect 1 had more content for DLC.

So no I don't hate it being story driven, I doubt you will find people who do, but the story is not good, short and extremly repetitive. Everyone I know pushed through to 50 on one character, not one of them wants to do it again or with a different one and at 50 the PVP is worse than even warhammer online, the PVE content is terrible and mostlybroken and glitched anyway.

You know they just added search function to their forums... That should tell you something about what else that is missing if not even their forum is worth 2 cents.

I am happy you enjoy it, but I doubt anyone can after maximum a month or 2, 60-70 euro+monthly subs later down the drain and their new content coming is about zombies...
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#56 - 2012-01-14 15:09:18 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:
People bought in all the hype EA and Bioware served them.

With such huge amounts of hyping, did you expect anything better?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68VfgesWmcI


You are right, I still thought Bioware was as great as they use to be, I loved their games since Baldurs gate 1. I just now discovered what they have become since EA took over, I only played ME1, missed the dragon age and 2 scandals or how they call their own community names lol How they big have fallen..

I also did not know they used mythic for pvp design or ME devs for questing last month before BETA to make the game. Seems to be 4 studios involved. I just... didn't expect them to pull a warhammer twice, only reason for doing so that I can come to think of is that it is good business to make flops and cheat your customers. Maybe they are also too big to fail or their management make illegal profits on its failures. I just read that EA has not made any profit on anything in the last 4 years.

They wont with this either, 14.99 after CC charges, upkeep, support, developers, IT and Lucas Arts license fee which is 35% I think after spending 300million, or as EA said after it was leaked, 125-200 million USD. No way they make money of that, not as a company anyway. Seems also Bioware management has VP and other high positions within EA, so maybe Bioware were always greedy jerks them too.

Only one enjoying SWTOR is Lucas Arts.
Anderron Shi
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-01-15 04:05:45 UTC
I just cancelled my recurring SWTOR subscription. When you cancel the subscription, it gives you a drop down box to answer why you are leaving. I picked "I'm leaving for another game". Another drop down box appeared with a list of games, and EVE Online was the fourth option, so I picked it. Take that, Bioware.

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Spineker
#58 - 2012-01-15 05:56:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
I hit 50 and was amazed when I went to Ilam i was given the same stupid ass missions I had since level 1. Really is a pathetic game. Sadly because it could have been cool. With 3 boring warzones I was surprised they were going to start a new flashpoint etc with out having a new warzone. The flashpoints suck. Why bring more suckage? When PVP sucks worse. I guess they are all carebears.
Spineker
#59 - 2012-01-15 06:00:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
2bhammered wrote:

Only one enjoying SWTOR is Lucas Arts.




Yep because they did nothing, paid nothing, and made money. Servers are already deader than they were and considering they sharded everything like tards is far more dead than it should be. Is a worse mistake than WAR
Gordon McClaine
Qwest Industries Research and Development
#60 - 2012-01-15 11:05:55 UTC
EVE and Planetside are the only MMOs that are worth it.

Looking forward to Planetside 2.... Signed up for BETA.

Gordon McClaine