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RMT and Null Sec Alliances
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Kitten Arbosa
#21 - 2012-01-11 12:51:17 UTC
I really doubt large scale alliances have organized RMT/botting. It would be pretty obvious from CCP's side, and I'm sure Certain Corps are being watched really closely.

On the flipside, I would not be surprised if rental fees and such are being paid less in ISK and more in paypal transfers. That'd basically be untraceable via CCP. Who knows....
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#22 - 2012-01-11 12:51:29 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:


You won't consider anything to be "sufficient proof", so you should STFU too. What do you expect? CCP to subpoena players bank statements? Even then.... "That didn't come from RMT LOL I mow lawns on the side"


After reading your responses on this thread - and others - I have yet to see anything from you that doesnt fall into the category "unsubstantiated claims".

Hot Air - thats what you are about buddy.
Prince Kobol
#23 - 2012-01-11 12:52:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

What is proof?

Recorded TS3, where a guy is "bragging" about it.... but nah, he didn't really do it, he is just blowing wind.
A fleet warping off as soon as a neutral enters system... nah, he just has multiple accounts.
Or... "he is just dedicated to the game" that is why he is so focused on taking that region 23/7. He didn't get paid to do it.
Those mountains of hulks mining like oompaloopas deep in drone space 23/7, they are just there for the scenery!



TS3 comms can be recorded.

A lot of people talk about fleets that warp off as soon as a neut enters system.. go and sit in that system and fraps it.

Those mountains of hulks.. again go and fraps it.

I keep seeing people talking about these huge fleets of bots in null sec yet I have never seen anybody fraps it.

Create a alt or use your main to join one of these alliances or a corp which blue to them, fly to where they bot, fraps it and then post on youtube for all to see.

If there are that many of these fleets roaming null sec then it shouldn't be too hard to should it.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-01-11 12:53:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:


You won't consider anything to be "sufficient proof", so you should STFU too. What do you expect? CCP to subpoena players bank statements? Even then.... "That didn't come from RMT LOL I mow lawns on the side"


After reading your responses on this thread - and others - I have yet to see anything from you that doesnt fall into the category "unsubstantiated claims".

Hot Air - thats what you are about buddy.



Beyond linking recordings (which I don't have) onto these forums and getting myself banned in the process. What else can I do but speak of personal accounts? Even if I did link recordings... it becomes "that's your voice on that recording" and once again it is "not proof".



Your an idiot.


Prince Kobol wrote:
So go do it yourself then.

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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#25 - 2012-01-11 12:55:22 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:



Hot Air - thats what you are about buddy.



Beyond linking recordings (which I don't have) onto these forums and getting myself banned in the process. What else can I do but speak of personal accounts? Even if I did link recordings... it becomes "that's your voice on that recording" and once again it is "not proof".



Your an idiot.



I think you just proved my point.
lior narkis
Massive Dynamic weapons
#26 - 2012-01-11 12:56:00 UTC
Its the same with botting and RMT in Eve generally. Its the one big evil everyone is afraid of, so they see it everywhere. Like a a bearded arab reading the koran must surely be a terrorist. Guess what, there are no arab terrorists around you. ;)
If there were so many botters in Eve like some claim there are ingame prices for every normal player would be unaffordable by now.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-01-11 12:57:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Reilly Duvolle wrote:



Hot Air - thats what you are about buddy.



Beyond linking recordings (which I don't have) onto these forums and getting myself banned in the process. What else can I do but speak of personal accounts? Even if I did link recordings... it becomes "that's your voice on that recording" and once again it is "not proof".



Your an idiot.



I think you just proved my point.



Is that supposed to be a retort to what I just stated? Because when you read it back it doesn't sound like one. You seem to be proving mine. You cannot prove anything to people who want botting and RMT to continue. They will continue to exaggerate things to the point where nothing can POSSIBLY be sufficient evidence.


lior narkis wrote:

If there were so many botters in Eve like some claim there are ingame prices for every normal player would be unaffordable by now.


It's about affordable supers and bloated null sec rental prices. It is also about a massive surplus of minerals that actually is destroying mining as a profession, resulting in low prices throughout empire for basic items. So what are you getting at?

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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#28 - 2012-01-11 12:59:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

You cannot prove anything to people who want botting and RMT to continue. They will continue to exaggerate things to the point where nothing can POSSIBLY be sufficient evidence.


So basically you say we should all take your unsubstatiated claims to the contrary at face value.

gothca.
Prince Kobol
#29 - 2012-01-11 12:59:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
One more thing.. I keep seeing.. fleets warp off when a neut enters system.

I multi box often and there are plenty of tools that let me control all my accounts as if I was playing one, tools which have been deemed to be okay by CCP.

So yeah.. If I am in space and see a red enter local I can warp all my ships off at the same time.

Must mean I am a bot and involved in RMT.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-01-11 13:00:45 UTC
Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

You cannot prove anything to people who want botting and RMT to continue. They will continue to exaggerate things to the point where nothing can POSSIBLY be sufficient evidence.


So basically you say we should all take your unsubstatiated claims at face value.

gothca.



Hello botter, nice to meet you.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2012-01-11 13:03:17 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
One more thing.. I keep seeing.. fleets warp off when a neut enters system.

I multi box often and there are plenty of tools that let me control all my accounts as if I was playing one, tools which have been deemed to be okay by CCP.

So yeah.. If I am in space and see a red enter local I can warp all my ships off at the same time.

Must mean I am a bot and involved in RMT.


If I put a bubble down and you get stuck in it and dont do anything, then I can prove you are a bot. There is indeed a vast number of bots everywhere in 0.0 and always has been.
lior narkis
Massive Dynamic weapons
#32 - 2012-01-11 13:04:30 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
One more thing.. I keep seeing.. fleets warp off when a neut enters system.

I multi box often and there are plenty of tools that let me control all my accounts as if I was playing one, tools which have been deemed to be okay by CCP.

So yeah.. If I am in space and see a red enter local I can warp all my ships off at the same time.

Must mean I am a bot and involved in RMT.


Sure thing, a bot would never be so stupid to stay uncloaked when local gets flooded. So yep, if you stay there and let yourself be killed like (hu)man you prove yourself not to be a bot. :D
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-01-11 13:06:10 UTC
hurray we have another RMT/bot thread based on the good old system called "i just know it"

My apologize i just felt the urge to post this horrible thing. I hardly feel anything so i take every chance to project my feelings. Cool
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#34 - 2012-01-11 13:12:07 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:


Hello botter, nice to meet you.



Ah yes. the old "no you" retort. How refreshing.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-01-11 13:13:00 UTC
ISK selling sites do not exist.







You cannot prove that they exist.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-01-11 13:17:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
ISK selling sites do not exist.







You cannot prove that they exist.




QFT.
You can't prove they exist or have anything to do with botting or rmt.





& that is what your expecting the rest of us to believe. Have a nice day!

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-01-11 13:18:16 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
ISK selling sites do not exist.







You cannot prove that they exist.


/tinfoil
And who says they are not an CCP sites to provoke players and then remove double ISK gained Big smile and getting payed for it.
Its illegal but on the internet.. if there is no suitor there is no cause.
/tinfoil
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-01-11 13:19:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
ISK selling sites do not exist.







You cannot prove that they exist.


/tinfoil
And who says they are not an CCP sites to provoke players and then remove double ISK gained Big smile and getting payed for it.
Its illegal but on the internet.. if there is no suitor there is no cause.
/tinfoil




LOL Good one hahaha

And all of them too!!!!
All of them I tell you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CCP conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#39 - 2012-01-11 13:48:36 UTC
People behave out of self interest.

If people are running around hunting bots and sabotaging them in other places than where they live, you have to ask yourself, "What is their motivation?"

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#40 - 2012-01-11 14:24:51 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Over past few weeks I have noticed more and more people accusing null sec alliances of being in Involved in RMT Operations.

Now I am not part of any null sec alliances, I have no affiliation to anybody expect my own Corp and Alliance.

In several posts where somebody has accused an alliance being involved in RMT I have asked for evidence, some thing that backs up their claims and as of yet nobody has shown me any, if fact most of times they simply ignore the request.

Can somebody show me some sort of evidence that shows an alliance or corporation, whether they be in high / low or null that is directly involved in RMT.

Lets once and for all prove or disprove these accusations.

For all those people who truly believe that alliances are involved in RMT.. now is the time to put up or shut up.


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