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ECM question in hi-sec
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Garrvik
#1 - 2012-01-10 15:41:34 UTC
If someone targets me in high sec (say Jita) and I use either of the following modules, will I get Concorded?

1) Multispectral Jammer
2) ECM Burst

I'm not sure if using a targeted or area jamming device would be considered an offensive based action.
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#2 - 2012-01-10 15:49:48 UTC
Yes. Only cargo/ship scanners are permitted, and of course reps/transfers which are not aggressive.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#3 - 2012-01-10 16:18:20 UTC
Garrvik wrote:
If someone targets me in high sec (say Jita) and I use either of the following modules, will I get Concorded?

1) Multispectral Jammer
2) ECM Burst

I'm not sure if using a targeted or area jamming device would be considered an offensive based action.


Targetting is not a crime, so you can't do anything about it except warp away. You can cloak to potentially avoid being targeted in the first place, but that is all you can do.

If they shoot you, then you can use the multispec on them all you want.

Do NOT use the ECM burst in hisec.... as it is an area of effect weapon and if you hit anything other than your aggressor (including gates, stations, etc), you will be concorded.
Garrvik
#4 - 2012-01-10 16:23:42 UTC
Thanks for the replies. I'm just starting to look into electronic warfare and obviously, I don't have a clue on the rules. :)
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#5 - 2012-01-10 16:44:45 UTC
Here's a guide from EUni on player aggression. You should find some more info there.

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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-01-10 17:55:29 UTC
Lol ECM Burst.

In high sec it is also known as "self destruct". Odds are you are toast if you press teh butan.

(Smartbombs are also somewhat similar but slightly more obvious in their ability to bring the space police to wreck your ship)
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#7 - 2012-01-11 18:19:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Serge Bastana
Simple case in point, when a couple of friends of mine first joined, one joined a player corp I had been in for a month or so while the other remained in the starter corp. They fleeted up one evening to run a few level 1 missions together during their first week in the game. One friend had an ECM burst module fitted to his frigate that he had looted from a previous mission. When he decided to activate it, curious to see if it would affect the mission rats, he also hit his fleet mate with it.

Due to the other player being in a different corp it was flagged as a criminal act and he soon after felt the wrath of CONCORD as they appeared in the mission and proceeded to punish him for his trangression. If both of them had been in the same corp it wouldn't have mattered, since you can attack each other without CONCORD intervening when you're in the same corp. That was a lesson hard learned and gave us some laughs.

Mind you, even if the other player had been in the same corp, chances are he may have hit some of the mission structures if he was close enough, resulting in the same CONCORDDOKKEN.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Toshiro GreyHawk
#8 - 2012-01-12 05:23:18 UTC


The Multispectral Jammers are not the same as the burst jammers. Burst is an area of effect - multispectral targets the selected ship.

All Jammers will work against all sensors - they just don't work very well against anything other than their designated type.

Multispectral jammers don't work well against any type - but they do work better than the other jammers at all types.
Toshiro GreyHawk
#9 - 2012-01-12 05:23:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Accidental Double post.


As long as I've got it though I'll post the links I was going to post above here ...



Electronic Counter Measures Modules





Clearing the Fuzz: Understanding Electronic Warfare

This is old but I think most of it's still the same.




The current players guide section on EW can't be linked because it has a per cent sign in it. But go to the Players Guide and Look Up Electronic Warfare.



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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-01-12 11:02:44 UTC
BAck on the question:

Using ECM in high-sec is possible but only under the following conditions:

1.) The target you are using your ECM on is part of the same corp you are in (stasis webifiers are usefull to make that corp freighter to warp faster).
2.) The target you are using your ECM on is a member of the corp / alliance you are at war with (have a war declaration on that is active at the moment)
3.) The target you are using your ECM on is flagged as a global criminal by CONCORD. Anyone in EVE can shoot someone with a GCC (they appear as flashy red and have a red-box with a white skull next to their name).
4.) The target you are using your ECM on is a pilot you have kill rights on. You get kill rights on others if they take criminal actions against you (flip your can, suicide gank you, etc.) You can check on who you have kill rights in your character sheet.

Any other ECM action will result in a nice explosion on the spot your ship once was and if you then look around you will see a lot of CONCORD ships orbiting your wreck.

Due to the area of effect use of ECM burst it's not recommended to use it in high-sec as you can accidentally hit something that you shouldn't be hitting (other players (even if they are cloaked, which means you can't see that they are next to you) or friendly NPC police / navy ships). So suggesting to skip the ECM burst modules untill you know how to use them properly in high-sec and only then if you are 110% certain nobody else is in range or if you are willing to loose the ship you are flying.

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