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Closed - Special Manufactor/Research Bond - Collateralized 9,5b Bond filled
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Aine Ni
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-01-10 10:22:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Aine Ni
Hi you

I am looking to expand my of trading adventur, and therefor looking for a 9,5b Bond over 2-3 months.
As collaterale I have a T2 BPO, that I have used to make about 200-300m a month.
It is possible to make more - specially if you not as lazy as me... :)

So I'm looking for a Manufacturarer that will fill the bond, who's rent will the free use of BPO to make ISK

alternative

I'm looking for a Researcher that will fill the bond, and will research it in the periode of the bond, and I'll pay 250m per month as rent for this

Either way there is plenty of good isk to be made.


And no - I will not tell what I need the ISK for - not yet... :D
And yes - this is a alt of mine, but what does that matter? :)
And no - I can't split the BPO, so I am only looking for 1 person as bond holder
(You are free to come up with the ISK together)


If this is something for you or want to know more - Please EVE mail me
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#2 - 2012-01-10 11:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Gatan Hahran
So basically this is a collateralized 2.5% (3.1% with 250m) interest bond, with the twist that you also have to work for your 2-3% interest as investor. I think you may have better luck if you ask for 5 billion isk with same conditions. That would raise the interest to 4.8% (6% with 250m), giving a 0.8% (2%) premium for the work on top of the usual 4% interest that investors get without working for it.
Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#3 - 2012-01-10 11:47:05 UTC
I'm interested. I'll drop you a mail.
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-01-10 12:32:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Aine Ni
Cos researching and manufactoring is so hard, and so is dropping them on Jita market Roll

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Freak Power
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#5 - 2012-01-10 13:19:22 UTC
It's an Inferno Rage Torpedo BPO.

It was purchased for 5b in this auction: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52051

It's value and manufacturing profit have been massively overstated.

A ham fisted attempt at a scam.
Freak Power
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#6 - 2012-01-10 13:21:41 UTC
Aine Ni wrote:
I have an Inferno Rage Torpedo BPO ME0 and PE0 - I have seen T2 Torpedo BPOs sold to up to 14,5b (with a minimum of research)


We can also do a split - so the first or two month is research and then production from there - might be the best option
Could say a bond of 10b with the first two as research. Which give a payout of 9.5 and payed research.

Lenght of bond is min. 2 months - and end-date will been 6 months, at the latest, or when you want out :)

How does that sound?


Roll
Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#7 - 2012-01-10 13:27:12 UTC
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-01-10 13:32:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Aine Ni
That is the precise BPO

If I was to scam I would likely have used another toon - Possible you should have do a bit more research, and look at what the other T2 Torp BPOs are sold at. Ex. also the fact that others was willing to bid more, but was too late. Which was on the same thread.


According to EVEEYE with 10/10 research and good selling places (not Jita, but the other mish hubs) - I can make that (5b) back in a little more than an year (minus Research time. Yes it SO much overrate - so is all profit and T2 BPOs Roll
Freak Power
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#9 - 2012-01-10 13:36:28 UTC
Aine Ni wrote:
That is the precise BPO

If I was to scam I would likely have used another toon - Possible do a bit more research, and look at what the other T2 Torp BPOs are sold at.

Also the fact that others was willing to bid more, but was too late. On that same auction.

According to EVEEYE with 10/10 research and good selling places (not Jita, but the other mish hubs) - I can make that (5b) back in a little more than an year (minus Research time. Yes it SO much overrate - so is all profit and T2 BPOs Roll

Keep digging.
Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#10 - 2012-01-10 13:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Blueprint Seller
Aine Ni wrote:
I have a T2 BPO, that I have used to make about 200-300m a month.

Red Sun wrote:
Auction closes Sunday 8th Jan at 21:00

I am impressed that you managed to make 200-300m a month with this blueprint in only 2 days.
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#11 - 2012-01-10 13:50:02 UTC
Aine Ni wrote:
Cos researching and manufactoring is so hard, and so is dropping them on Jita market Roll

Replied to all mails


Jita is serious business!

This system has changed so many good people.
As an example let me tell you the story of Sidari Hadraghi.

When i first visited the trade section of the Jita 4-4 station i was a young and excited Amarrian businessman, ready to make a million or two for supporting my gambling addicted uncle who stayed back in Hilaban (Tash-Murkon). You have to know that there are many turtle-like creatures on this planet and the local mob used to throw them off buildings, so the people could bet if their shell would crack or not. my uncle was 42.000 isk behind.
Back to Jita 4-4.. I was just counting out the price for some small navy ship asked by a minmatar guy with sunglasses. He only asked for a very low price because he was moving to dangerous null security space and couldnt take all his stuff with him.
Just before i was ready to do the transaction Sidari Hadraghi put his hand on my shoulder and took me back. He was an old trader, knowing all the stuff about Jita and willing to teach.
He was a good hearted person, with a focused mind for his old age, but for some reason every 5 minutes his right hand started to shake around and a tear dropped out of his eye. "The orders...the orders.. they never leave me alone" he whispered and put out a small touchpad. His shacking hand did his work and the pad disappeared again. "The young traders, they are so fast" he finally said crying.
2 weeks later Sidari Hadraghi died.
When i visited the graveyard some while ago and talked to locals they claimed that in some nights there is a clicking sound coming out the spot where he is burried.
Every 5 minutes.
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-01-10 13:53:04 UTC
Lol - I have more than one BPO

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=51810&p=2
4x T2 Torps for 14.25b each

What is with ME20/PE20 - which is almost no difference in time and cost compared to 10/10 - so with a bit of reseach I can take my "worthless" BPO can sell - WHY would I want to make a collateral for fare under their worth - so the other guy can run with them for a bargain.

Even a 10b bond with NO collateral, with 250m interest per month is not a bad deal on MD. And as collateral you would need to research it (10m cost a month) - Yes a horrid deal it is...

Roll
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-01-10 13:56:02 UTC
@Gatan Hahran

Lol - know the feeling - lucky I dont have to do every 5 mins :D
Freak Power
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#14 - 2012-01-10 14:04:44 UTC
Aine Ni wrote:
Lol - I have more than one BPO

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=51810&p=2
4x T2 Torps for 14.25b each

What is with ME20/PE20 - which is almost no difference in time and cost compared to 10/10 - so with a bit of reseach I can take my "worthless" BPO can sell - WHY would I want to make a collateral for fare under their worth - so the other guy can run with them for a bargain.


That auction was for Mjolnir Javlin Torpedos.

Spot the difference...

http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Inferno+Rage+Torpedo+Blueprint&POS=1&F60=1&P=1

http://eveeye.com/profit.asp?blueprint=Mjolnir+Javelin+Torpedo+Blueprint&POS=1&F60=1&P=1
Freak Power
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#15 - 2012-01-10 14:07:04 UTC
Aine Ni wrote:
Even a 10b bond with NO collateral, with 250m interest per month is not a bad deal on MD.

A 2.5% uncollateralised bond, with an unknown is not a bad deal on MD?

Somebody pass this man a ladder, he's going to need it.
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-01-10 14:08:46 UTC
I dont know if I should feel sorry for the math of try to compare like that or just lauch - Yes difference is the in JITA they are not sold for the same - but I can sell Inferno Rage for same a lot of other places - as they are uses a lot more than Javalins - but that takes market research.
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-01-10 14:12:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Aine Ni
Freak Power wrote:
Aine Ni wrote:
Even a 10b bond with NO collateral, with 250m interest per month is not a bad deal on MD.

A 2.5% uncollateralised bond, with an unknown is not a bad deal on MD?

Somebody pass this man a ladder, he's going to need it.



Sorry you are complely correct on that - that would be a bad deal.

I forgot to write some text - was meant to with a BPO as bonus to bond.


Really sorry about that one Sad



Edited for more missing words Oops
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-01-10 14:21:34 UTC
As I'm cauris (And really bad at englist), I would like to know what would a fair amount - If I also would like the BPO to be research while it's held as collateral ?
Freak Power
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#19 - 2012-01-10 14:26:28 UTC
Aine Ni wrote:
As I'm cauris (And really bad at englist), I would like to know what would a fair amount - If I also would like the BPO to be research while it's held as collateral ?

You could get a 4.5b loan at 4% including research with that BPO as collateral.
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-01-10 14:35:56 UTC
4,5b - If I was a scamer, I would run with it - as I could sell it for more - likely atleast 5.5 - without even researching it.

I rather pay higher interest and have smaller chance of other person running with. If 5% for normal uncollateral is the going rate (seems so), would it be unfair to say

10b uncollateral bond at 5% (ie. 250m) - with a BPO as a "sorta" collateral, for having to research in return for the collateral - as I know, I am not know on the forum?
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