EVE New Citizens Q&A

Logistics is quite an advance ship to fly and if you are new to the game I would not really recommend it. They are mainly used in PVP and incursions. In those situations they are essential however and people will love you for flying them. (Be sure to fit it properly and have proper support skills (otherwise you need not bother) and you really want logistics 5)

In PVP Guardian (amarr, armor) and Scimitar (minmatar, shield) are used - other races rarely. For incursions I believe it is Guardian and Basilisk and Scimy - not sure on that.

Quick note:
Logistics has two meanings in EvE.

1.) The logistics class of ships that get bonuses to Remote Repair. These are very much in demand, although the gallente version (the onieros) is the least demanded logistics ship. It was buffed this last patch, but in my experience has not yet become a major staple in fleets. The good news is its moderately easy to cross train to amarr's guardian (need amarr cruiser V), which is probably the most widely used logistic ship.

2.) Logistics is also a common term for acquiring goods and hauling them. This is in demand, but in a very different way. Most of this demand is for Freighter, or even moreso, Jump Freighter Pilots. Those are some expensive ships though, and nice juicy targets...

Logistics are in extreme demand in pvp. Some alliances/corps will - in effect - pay you to fly it (if you lose it in pvp, you get reiimbursed with more than it was worth). That said, I've mainly seen Caldari (Basilisk) and Minmatar (Scimitar) EDIT: yes and Amarr (Guardians if armor tanked) logis about.

Note that Oneiros was recently buffed and is perfectly comparable to Guardian these days for incursion uses. In fact, I think Incursion fleets actually prefer Oneiros (Guardians have to be employed in pairs as they have to cap transfer each others to stay cap stable).

Not certain of PvP applications; I would imagine Oneiros would also work there after the buff but most armor fleets fly Guardians. My guess would be because, well, they have always flown Guardians and it would take :effort: to EFT warrior up a new Oneiros fit...

It is a fine thing to aim for if you want to get to running Incursions but it is a fairly long train; Logistics V is nearly mandatory, as is good capacitor-related skills. It also includes lot of training that does nothing to your combat efficiency. Most people first train for a suitable combat ship before adding Logistics training on top of it.

What's a good thing to train up to/do before logistics becomes something that would be affordable for me?

[Scimitar, incursion]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Power Diagnostic System II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Link II

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x4
Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x1

mine ^

stable with CR3 and CC3 with shield emissions 4, @ 5 you don't need implants

The AB makes me the preferred ore runner in NMCs :P

hehe. knew you'd notice :P

Logi are great and almost always in demand.

but as a newer player I would focus on your support skills first. A logi without a really good tank and really cood cap skills is not very good.

Also while traning towards logi you pass a lot of cruiser ships....do not pass these by.

What I would do.

Train into a battle cruiser (myrmidon) with some gunnary and drone skills.
Once in the battle cruiser really focus on your tank and cap skills.
Once thats done you will know the game a bit more and be well preparded to train for logi.
SO you will have a long train of Gal Cruiser to 5. Plan to get heavy assault ships and recons while here.
then you can train into logi and work towards logi 4.

to answer the OP's question a bit more directly- Logi is a rather high end skill set to do properly, and not much use to not do properly. The same can be said of the much debated ECM- can be a win-button or a waste of ship, never know till it happens.

Logi skills are fairly intensive, but the cost of the ships themselves is going to be the biggest hurdle to overcome.

As a solo pilot, logi is almost useless. You can get into RvB, FW, obviously Incursions....and find fleets to offer Logi to- but for solo activities, you can't use the skills.

I made that mistake as a newb with EW (ECM in particular) because I just never used it in the solo mission running or plex grinding I was doing. Until I got more involved with PvP fleet operations, I never used ECM really.

The more specialized the support skill- the more dependent on being part of a team it is.

The other hard part of higher end skills like Logi is that you are basically 'learning' while flying a grotesquely expensive ship against difficult PvE enemies, or in PvP where you will be called as Primary before your first rep cycle is off. (just like Blackbird pilots experience)

Having said all that- without going all the way to T2 Logi, I've made use of remote repair while grinding Sleepers in WH with a couple buddies. But in PvP- it's rare to find a situation where a non-dedicated (expensive and skill intensive to fly) Logi ship will be a better option than bringing another DPS or other type of support ship. It's sort of all or nothing.