Crime & Punishment

Ohnoes! How dare they make a profit on their activity... Remove ISK income from all PVE that is removing ISK income from PVE.

The cat is out of the bag now! You sir are a genius! ;)

No.

I will expend exactly as much effort as I want to.

Fine if you want to be a lazy fail in stopping incursions. Be my guest. The others however may take a more realistic stance.

I would like to thank Endeavour Starfleet for an outstanding contribution to worthless shitposting.

I recently discovered, that tears can fuel poses.

Are you OK?

You have the air of somebody who is not who he wants to be, and knows it in some manner but is afraid to do something about it.

Let go.


Now regarding this stuff about making ISK from busting incursions with mom take-downs: the fleets involved in this are not earning any ISK. Potentially the highest damage dealers might make around 60 million ISK if the site is not contested but I don't see anybody jockeying to be the highest damage dealer and the contesting shineys fleet is always a good help and welcome every time we see them.

The cost of a T1 BC with the rigs necessary to achieve the required resists and EHP will run around 80 to 100 million ISK assuming a "cheapie" BS like a Typhoon or a good price on a Scorpion. A 60 million ISK ship is still going to get around another 40 to 50 million ISK in rigs if you want to keep the slots free'd up for active rep and resists.

There is no money being made on this, but a good time is being had by all and it's not about ISK anyway. This is what motivates a lot of people in this: this "ISK-snatching" entitlement mindset that has people crying foul when other players engage a legitimate PVE target and shut down a grindfest all within existing game mechanics and no exploitation. Such as it is, the mentality of ISK hoggery and "grindism" does more damage to the game than a lowsec gate camped by griefers. If I had seen this game as nothing but the former when I looked into it in 2006, when I started, I would not have even bothered to try it.

I never said I would leave EVE. Nor have I ever, nor will I ever play WoW. I don't even know how you made that incredible leap of logic.

The bottom line is that all of these incessant arguments about "carebears" vs "griefers" stem from broken mechanics across every area of space.

In the end, those who feel the need to shut down Incursions to prevent "excessive carebear wealth" are doing so because it is currently more fun than whatever game play their home space provides. Fix lowsec, Fix nullsec, and the griefers will fight more interesting wars elsewhere and leave highsec dwellers to their own devices, to collect and polish their shiny ships in peace.

This is no different than the Goon ice interdiction - its really just a symptom of broken nullsec mechanics. If the Goons had wars or challenges that were more entertaining in nullsec, they wouldn't bother with cheap ganks. This is clearly evident from Mitten's recent speech in Delve. Tear collecting is ultimately a filler activitiy.

No matter how vocal these players are on the forums, and no matter how much The Mittani uses the bully pulpit, the bottom line is that the vast majority of EvE players don't sign up to be involved with puppy kicking.

No matter how much it will be continued to be defended as such, griefing is not "what makes EvE awesome". The possibility for it to occur makes EvE unique amongst MMO's, but for most of us, it isn't what makes EvE fun.

Don't get me wrong - there are thousands of players who absolutely signed up to make the weak cry, scream, and wail - and engage in sheer sadistic pleasure wherever it is to be found. But these players are still a minority in the context of the greater game - no matter how much they puff their chests on the forums.

The idea that nullsec powers or those outside of high sec are somehow threatened by an isk faucet in the form of high sec incursions is pretty silly. The very players they chastise for being "risk-adverse" and "cowardly" simply because they live in empire space are not the type of players gaming the economy, or leveraging that accumulated wealth for some kind of massive in-game competitive advantage. Usually, they harm no one. Most of that isk goes to adding even fancier gear to existing blinged out ships.

The fact that players can engage in PvP within an incursion environment (which isn't even the case here - with incursions "griefing" actually just means completing the PvE scenario) is most certainly working-as-intended, as the wealth provided by them was designed to inspire some competitive conflict. It's a stretch to call this "unfair" when players do have mercenary options at their disposal.

Let's just call this what it is - tear collecting is tear collecting, and its not particularly badass as an "endgame" or "sandbox" activity. It's a way to achieve lulz and pass the time, and will disappear as soon as the root causes in nullsec and lowsec are fixed and experienced players decide to worry about their own battles rather than harassing those who simply like to run PvE content.

Hahahaha this thread is terrible. You should all go take your autism medicine.