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Incursions: CCP is too slow - now we will act

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J Kunjeh
#501 - 2012-01-20 15:58:56 UTC
Please take your parenting discussions to the OOP forum, this thread is about tears. Thank you.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#502 - 2012-01-20 16:03:21 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:
Please take your parenting discussions to the OOP forum, this thread is about tears. Thank you.

do you mean tears is that white things on your face?

interesting.....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
J Kunjeh
#503 - 2012-01-20 16:13:47 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
J Kunjeh wrote:
Please take your parenting discussions to the OOP forum, this thread is about tears. Thank you.

do you mean tears is that white things on your face?

interesting.....



Those aren't tears...I just had a facial.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
GhostDragoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#504 - 2012-01-20 16:54:01 UTC  |  Edited by: GhostDragoon
Krissada wrote:
Before words ----
Yes, it's this thread again. No, it's not just empty words.
This was posted many days ago, but I decided to take it down to have some chats with a few selected people before finalizing everything.


_____________________

We have come to the conclusion that even though blackbird suicide ganking is a profitable and very fun activity it only limits the Incursion Bear activities by some degree.
If we are to end their reign once and for all which has lasted for almost a year it is time we do it now.

We would like to announce the creation of a wonderful and most generous channel named: "Grief the Bears" with the sole purpose of taking down all motherships in highsec as soon as they appear and end the incursion just like CCP intended....
We shall put an end to this inhuman farming and abuse of game mechanics. We have to put a gag to this ISK faucet and shake up those bears.
If they wanna do incursions they can go to lowsec or nullsec. Pirate

What do we require and why do we need you?


  • 30-40 bodies to effectively fight off the site and finish it.
  • Armor buffer fit battleships and a handful subbattleships.
  • T2 logistic ships.
  • Empty tear jars.

So join us at the channel ----> Grief the Bears
and let us finally put an end to all this.

Once all the highsec incursions are down they will not respawn for another 24+ hours. When that one will spawn it will only take the bears 4-5 hours to make the mothership appear and then we shall sweep in yet again and finish it.

Can you imagine highsec where the bears only get to incursion 15-20 hours for a whole week?
I can and it is filled with tears....


PS: Beware that extracting a sufficient amount of tears will result in merc wardecs hired by rich bears. I see this as a side bonus!

_______________


Above is the simple plan. We cannot keep on waiting and whining to CCP. We are taking matters into our own hands with or without you.
If you want to join, feel free to. If you rather not that is fine too.
But if you want to whine and complain because we are stopping the ISK faucet then make sure you are crying into one of our jars.

Fly much reckless Twisted


Why does every one of these posts sound like another group of butthurt carebears.

OH! BooHoo people make more money than me in hisec.. GET OVER IT. go learn to kill things properly, with fire & napalm and even tactical nukes. I find your lack of awesome appalling and your "Down with their reign" RP wannabe persona lacking. You sound more like a carebear than the actual carebears. I'm all for griefing and killing things with fire but you lot really make us look bad....

It's like the entire US/EU/NATO coalition going after Niger and patting each other on the back for winning...

Soft target much?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#505 - 2012-01-20 17:15:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Look, I just want to pop Sansha motherships and do it while fleeted with an interesting crowd. The mothership is a perfectly legitimate PVE war target.

I also have an interest in seeing if this kind of "raiding tactic" against a single target in a threat-heavy environment has any viability and what kind of methods and ship fittings evolve around this.

With proposed changes in cap mechanics and possible changes in SOV and potential for future conflict, there is a lot that can be learned from this endeavor.

If kiddies who feel entitled to a target they they do not have exclusive access to want to cry about it, it's not my problem. I say the same for null dwellers who cry when I sneak into their systems way past their gank walls.

This is also an opportunity for anybody eschewed from incursions for lack of shineys to put a T1 BS together and rock the boat, have a good time, learn to operate in a fleet, and hit the big red plus. What's wrong with that?

Let's all be motherf**kers.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Zag'mar Jurkar
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
#506 - 2012-01-20 17:20:47 UTC
I don't see why incursion runners complain about them being disrupted... All I know and can see is Darius and others playing the Sandbox as intended, and so does the other side as well...
TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#507 - 2012-01-20 17:57:10 UTC
Hoxothul wrote:
Concord pays to you defeat Sansha's raiding forces, to protect the citizens of high sec from slavery, no? How exactly are you defending them by keeping the Mothership alive as long as possible so that you can farm the vanguards?


(Responding in Character)

Yes, my friend... We do avoid killing the mothership... this is a strategic battleplan.
In the year since Sansha began these "Incursions" into the Empires we have found Sansha's forces act in a very, very predictable manner... their programming allows for very little leeway in their strategy and tactics... and we are taking full advantage of this.

By delaying the destruction of the mothership, we lure more and more of his forces out into battle and destroy them. Sansha does not have unlimited resources available to him any more than the Matari, the Gallente or even the Amarr do.

This is a war, not just a battle. We are in this to TAKE Sansha Kuvakei DOWN! We are in a war of attrition… we cannot at this time afford to invade Sansha’s home space… so we must hurt them as much and as badly as possible… we draw the line HERE! And NO FURTHER!!!

We will draw them out and draw them out and kill them for as long as it takes! We extend the battle because we can afford the few losses his forces inflict while destroying hundreds of his ships… and yes, thousands of his slaves. But they are lost already are then not? Death is, for them, a release from slavery…

It is a hard, hard thing to do… but Sansha Kuvakei leaves us no choice. As we cannot take the fight to him, we must hurt him as much as we can when the opportunity presents itself.

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#508 - 2012-01-20 18:01:24 UTC
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
Hoxothul wrote:
Concord pays to you defeat Sansha's raiding forces, to protect the citizens of high sec from slavery, no? How exactly are you defending them by keeping the Mothership alive as long as possible so that you can farm the vanguards?


(Responding in Character)

Yes, my friend... We do avoid killing the mothership... this is a strategic battleplan.
In the year since Sansha began these "Incursions" into the Empires we have found Sansha's forces act in a very, very predictable manner... their programming allows for very little leeway in their strategy and tactics... and we are taking full advantage of this.

By delaying the destruction of the mothership, we lure more and more of his forces out into battle and destroy them. Sansha does not have unlimited resources available to him any more than the Matari, the Gallente or even the Amarr do.

This is a war, not just a battle. We are in this to TAKE Sansha Kuvakei DOWN! We are in a war of attrition… we cannot at this time afford to invade Sansha’s home space… so we must hurt them as much and as badly as possible… we draw the line HERE! And NO FURTHER!!!

We will draw them out and draw them out and kill them for as long as it takes! We extend the battle because we can afford the few losses his forces inflict while destroying hundreds of his ships… and yes, thousands of his slaves. But they are lost already are then not? Death is, for them, a release from slavery…

It is a hard, hard thing to do… but Sansha Kuvakei leaves us no choice. As we cannot take the fight to him, we must hurt him as much as we can when the opportunity presents itself.

:notsureifserious:

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#509 - 2012-01-20 18:06:44 UTC
GhostDragoon wrote:

OH! BooHoo people make more money than me in hisec.. GET OVER IT. go learn to kill things properly, with fire & napalm and even tactical nukes. I find your lack of awesome appalling and your "Down with their reign" RP wannabe persona lacking. You sound more like a carebear than the actual carebears. I'm all for griefing and killing things with fire but you lot really make us look bad....

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Look, I just want to pop Sansha motherships and do it while fleeted with an interesting crowd. The mothership is a perfectly legitimate PVE war target.

…If kiddies who feel entitled to a target they they do not have exclusive access to want to cry about it, it's not my problem.

Zag'mar Jurkar wrote:
I don't see why incursion runners complain about them being disrupted... All I know and can see is Darius and others playing the Sandbox as intended, and so does the other side as well...


+1
+1
+1

Kudos to you all…

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/
TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#510 - 2012-01-20 18:08:19 UTC  |  Edited by: TurAmarth ElRandir
Simi Kusoni wrote:
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:

(Responding in Character)

:notsureifserious:


I was, as stated, responding in Character as Hoxothul had brought up the "citizens" being "captured" by Sansha's forces... turns out there is also actually sound military logic behind extending the battle as long as possible... go figure. =]

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/
Hoxothul
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#511 - 2012-01-20 18:33:44 UTC
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
GhostDragoon wrote:

OH! BooHoo people make more money than me in hisec.. GET OVER IT. go learn to kill things properly, with fire & napalm and even tactical nukes. I find your lack of awesome appalling and your "Down with their reign" RP wannabe persona lacking. You sound more like a carebear than the actual carebears. I'm all for griefing and killing things with fire but you lot really make us look bad....

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Look, I just want to pop Sansha motherships and do it while fleeted with an interesting crowd. The mothership is a perfectly legitimate PVE war target.

…If kiddies who feel entitled to a target they they do not have exclusive access to want to cry about it, it's not my problem.

Zag'mar Jurkar wrote:
I don't see why incursion runners complain about them being disrupted... All I know and can see is Darius and others playing the Sandbox as intended, and so does the other side as well...


+1
+1
+1

Kudos to you all…



You do realize that one of the posts you just quoted and +1'd was talking in favour of our actions?
Maximille Biagge
Hydra Eternal
#512 - 2012-01-20 18:48:53 UTC
I approve the parts of this thread still understandable to any normal sober human being.
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#513 - 2012-01-20 19:34:47 UTC
Darius III wrote:
Sin Istersly wrote:


Why would it be wise for me to take 150 mil in equipment into the middle of nullsec to get popped exactly? Derp.


No one suggests you need to take "150 mil in equipment" nor go to "the middle of nullsec" to "get popped". Derp indeed.



I could have sworn you guys we're arguing that nullsec risks should net you the most ISK in the game. Taking the 'risk averse' comment to mean that I was scared of going into nullsec. Seriousy Darius, shouldnt you have a cabinet of smarter people to explain this stuff to you before you open your mouth?
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#514 - 2012-01-20 19:43:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Sin Istersly
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


There's a lot to what you are writing.

Starting around the early 1990s, there was a movement in parenting that was all about letting your kids know how special and wonderful and smart they are, in spite of any evidence to the contrary.

We are now seeing the "fruits" of that labor, in game and out. A lot of people are so thinking they are so great at everything and living in a little bubble of their own perception when in fact, they suck as people and suck at what they do. I have to deal with these zombies every day. These are the people who tell you their name and expect you to jump for joy.

And these are the people with a dangerous sense of entitlement. I hope those that play this game learn to shed it before some RL situation comes up where their overblown sense of self could get them killed.



Thank you. I've been telling people that for years but generally I get looks of ghastly disbelief when I tell someone they need to spank their child and put them in the corner for a timeout. I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying. (The fact that I found any joy in it made me a little sick to my stomach, not to mention the cleaning of his brain matter off my clothes.) I'd been wanting to beat the crap out of the little douschebag for months. Though, I certainly didnt want him dead, dead people dont learn. But when we get to the point where your sitting on a bus and the mother of a kid jumping back and forth between two seats wont do a damn thing about it but give you a dirty look when you tell the child to "Sit down and stop jumping around please." and said child (couldnt have been more then 10) turns and tells you "I dont have to do what you say *****" . . . .

Well, lets just say if that was my child, his ass would be lopsided for the rest of his life.

The fellow who killed said douschebag was taken into South Korean custody and never heard from again. The only remaining feeling I have for the event is regret. I regret that neither I nor my battle buddies beat some sense into the little smartass before someone took it to such an extreme level, however, I blame the parents. Maybe if they'd been just a little more active in parenting, he would have told a South Korean mobster that his mother was cheap and enjoyable last night. Regardless who's at fault, the situation was uneccessary and could have been avoided.

My last comment on parenting, save your children. Let them know how harsh and rough the world can be if your not careful before the wrong person does. In your house, you can control the level of punishment and the suffering inflicting as well as the lesson learned. In the real world, you have no control over who's going to do what to your beloved little spoiled brat. It can make the difference between him learning a lesson early on and having a sore ass for a day or two vs him learning that you dont **** off an outlaw with a loaded gun 1 second before his life comes to a screeching halt.

Seriously, save the world, beat your children. My apologies for bringing parenting into such a thread.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#515 - 2012-01-20 20:04:48 UTC
Sin Istersly wrote:

interesting account with a happy ending




This is why we have such a great game here. Everybody expects to be the big hero who, just because they are heroic, can beat all odds, no matter what the odds - just like TV.

And then they play EvE and hit their first gate camp.....

Such things are what motivates me in this mom takedown project. Everybody (well, almost) thinks they are special and entitled. Nobody is entitled to jack squat in this world. Just because they wanted to let the mom lager in place and rack up ISK, they think that is to be automatically respected and then howl and complain when someone says "hey, let's see if we can kill that target".

This is great game that uses interweb spaceships and teaches reality of conflict and consequences at the same time. The ships are fake, the factors are real. Sometimes I wonder if, deep below CCP headquarters, there is a team of scientists studying the whole thing.

(and they could conclude that the "you're so special" movement is a complete failure at this point IF the existence of 20 y/o "men" who never had a drivers license, a job, and a date, is not failure enough).


We are the motherf**kers.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#516 - 2012-01-20 20:05:25 UTC
Sin Istersly wrote:
I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying.


Are you f'ing retarded?
TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#517 - 2012-01-20 20:14:22 UTC  |  Edited by: TurAmarth ElRandir
Hoxothul wrote:
You do realize that one of the posts you just quoted and +1'd was talking in favor of our actions?


Yes... I do. To reiterate, I am not for or against Mothership killing by greiferbears to grief on incursionbears... griefing is a part of the tapestry that is EVE.

What I am against is griefers whining and crying over it and using any supporting argument other than, "I wanna GRIEF em to TEARS!! "... Trying to stop people from farming Incursions because they make too much ISK is silly and childish and frankly it is embarrassing.

If yer a griefer stand up for your ganking ways... Say it loud and say it proud! Krissada's stated plan is to shut down this ISK facet IN HISEC and force the Incursionbears to have no choice but to go to lo and null if they want to keep running them… her unstated goal is to get fleets of blinged out multibillion ISK PvE fit ships into lo and null where she and her ilk can GRIEF them to tears without having to worry about CONCORD…. And so she and her lo and nullbear buddies can make the kinda ISK they feel they are entitled to in the manner they like best... griefing.

I got nothing against grieferbears, pirates, gankers and all the various other bullies in EVE…
I got nothing against carebears, miners, mission runners, and all the other take-it-safe-n-easy types either… we need both kinds. All I ask is… be honest about it.

I seriously doubt Krissada cares one whit about balancing or fairness… she said it, she wants hisec FULL of TEARS… that’s what she wants, all the rest is smoke and mirrors… she is trying to justify griefing… and in EVE, it needs no justification, its allowed and expected.

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#518 - 2012-01-20 20:20:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Sin Istersly
KrakizBad wrote:
Sin Istersly wrote:
I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying.


Are you f'ing retarded?


I'm not the one who ran his mouth off to an armed violent inclined gangster. So no, I'm not friggin ********. Are you?

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Sin Istersly wrote:

interesting account with a happy ending




This is why we have such a great game here. Everybody expects to be the big hero who, just because they are heroic, can beat all odds, no matter what the odds - just like TV.

And then they play EvE and hit their first gate camp.....

Such things are what motivates me in this mom takedown project. Everybody (well, almost) thinks they are special and entitled. Nobody is entitled to jack squat in this world. Just because they wanted to let the mom lager in place and rack up ISK, they think that is to be automatically respected and then howl and complain when someone says "hey, let's see if we can kill that target".

This is great game that uses interweb spaceships and teaches reality of conflict and consequences at the same time. The ships are fake, the factors are real. Sometimes I wonder if, deep below CCP headquarters, there is a team of scientists studying the whole thing.

(and they could conclude that the "you're so special" movement is a complete failure at this point IF the existence of 20 y/o "men" who never had a drivers license, a job, and a date, is not failure enough).


We are the motherf**kers.




+5 for point and intelligence. Yes, the 'your special' movement was such a carebear pos it made me sick when I saw it. "My kid can count to 10! Isnt he special?!"

You are special. You are unique. You are priceless. Just like the 6 billion other people on the planet. /sarcasm

I find it amusing however that a bunch of nullsec strategically "savvy" players are broadcasting their next move to the community. That'd be like North Korea informing whatever nation of their first nuclear strike. "Hey, we're going to attack you. Just so you know, later." Which brings that actual purpose of this thread into question. Ultimately, I think either their not going to do a damn thing, or their just hoping to scare people into killing the mothership themselves without any effort from the nullbears. Either way, it's a strategy that will likely not accomplish whatever it's intended.
TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#519 - 2012-01-20 20:23:02 UTC  |  Edited by: TurAmarth ElRandir
Sin Istersly & Herzog Wolfhammer…
Post #514 & 515...
go back and look em up... its worth the effort.

Kudos! Beautiful man… just effin beautiful. My daughter and I have talked about how punishments, whether a talking to or a spanking, help her learn that doing bad things is wrong and can hurt you... but I love her and I am teaching her.. not abusing.

She told me she knows there is a difference...

Krissda’s gonna have a COW when she reads those 2 posts!! \o/

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#520 - 2012-01-20 20:26:48 UTC
Sin Istersly wrote:
Interesting story about how I beat kids

Seriously, this thread has gone on long enough. Someone lock it.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]