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Incursions: CCP is too slow - now we will act

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Endeavour Starfleet
#481 - 2012-01-20 09:40:52 UTC
Krissada wrote:
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
Andski wrote:
so, tell me, why do you believe you are entitled to run incursions?


uh.... really? still? OK, how about $15 US a month is why.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH!!!! HAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHH!!!

Best

tears

ever


Would be great tears to be had if I could hear them over your laughter.

Then again it appears to be normal in your group after watching the fail editing of that fake logi video. Don't enjoy the tears enjoy hearing the sound of your own voice instead.
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#482 - 2012-01-20 09:51:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Sin Istersly
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
As often as you need it...

Lysaeus wrote:
Sin Istersly wrote:
I havnt seen people so transparent and atypically refusing change since I raised my children past the age of 6. Let me guess, Mommy and Daddy didnt beat your @$$ when you had it coming?


So you beat your kids?


Only as often as needed and no more. All things in moderation, and lets face it, if your honest with yourself, as a child, I dont think a single one of us as people can deny that at some point in our upbringing, we we're snotty, stuck up, bratty, and spoiled to the point that nothing would get thru to us but a swift smack on the ass. I know I was at time and I'm grateful for the spankings I received when they were deserved. It kept me from turning into some of the crybabies you've seen propogating this thread. I'm not saying I liked it, I'm not saying anything sexual, and I'm not saying everyone should beat their kids. I'm saying I'm glad my parents disciplined me appropriately.

For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5jxvEs3hYk

Perhaps if she'd been spanked on occasion she wouldnt be whining about getting a new car in the wrong color.

My dad 'gave' me a car when I turned 18.

His 88 ford crown victoria.

Gave me a deal too, $1000 bucks for it and he helped me fix the transmission. Twice. I was grateful.

Even let me use his tools, and the rest of the gas in the tank, such kindness. I'm sure he would have backhanded me for complaining about it being a red ford, but you know what, that old POS was held together by rust and bubblegum, got 7 miles to the gallon, no AC, no radio, and it drove like a up armored tank. But I loved that car. Wish I didnt have to sell it when I deployed. Hell, if I ever get the money, I'm gonna try to buy it back. I miss that old road tank. Here's some real tears for you crybears. Sad
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#483 - 2012-01-20 09:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Sin Istersly
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
Hey Sin.... my son is my CEO!!! LOL.. and he's the middle kid...
Active duty Marine (and a real sandbox vet) stationed in SC several states away from home... and I get to spend time with him here every night...

Man I love this game... =]


Semper Fi brother. Two time vet of the sandbox here, currently civie in college and loving it. Might go back, might not, I dont miss the brass, but I do miss my brothers in arms.

TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
Andski wrote:
the irony of a risk-averse hisec incursion runner calling anyone a "bear" does not escape me

fyi all the tears seem to be coming from the incursion bears ;p


Ahhhh.... ok, lets do this slow again...

1. I am not an Incursion runner. Have Never done even one.
2. I am not by any means risk-averse... I live in an effin wormhole... if you think that's risk-averse, then you have other, worse delusions you should seek treatment for...
3. I love PvP... my record is not the best, 50/50, and I aint real good at it... but I can hold my own and I love a GF...

what one man calls tears... is another's justified disdain... meh.

Went over all of this before...


Same here, I'm not risk averse, I'm risk wise. I dont have the skills to handle myself against a PVP trained pilot in nullsec. You think it's ironic that I'm laughing at nullsec bears tears when I'm a highsec bear? I think it'd be pretty F^^King stupid to take my weakly PVP skilled butt out into the shooting gallery to be honest, where I stand next to no chance against a frigate with a skilled pilot in it in even the most powerful Battle cruiser with T2 myself. Why would it be wise for me to take 150 mil in equipment into the middle of nullsec to get popped exactly? that's the one thing I cant figure out.

Again, risk wise. The potential gain does not outweigh the immediate risk. Derp.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#484 - 2012-01-20 10:04:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
At first this sounded like a good Idea so I decided to keep an eye out for what will happen.

I see the word Tear farming used to much for just to many different situations, and all I see is both sides Crying.


The OP is crying about people making to much isk in incursions. Incursion runners crying about sites going down fast.

It really very exciting from the sidelines, please continue.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#485 - 2012-01-20 10:06:52 UTC
Actually, most of the incursion runners seem to be crying about the nullsec crybabies crying about them not playing the mechanics as intended.

"Damn you fools for ingenuity and exploitation! We pirates are the ones who exploit stuff!" seems to be the general theme in my opinion. I find it amusing.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#486 - 2012-01-20 10:09:32 UTC
Sin Istersly wrote:
Actually, most of the incursion runners seem to be crying about the nullsec crybabies crying about them not playing the mechanics as intended.

"Damn you fools for ingenuity and exploitation! We pirates are the ones who exploit stuff!" seems to be the general theme in my opinion. I find it amusing.


True...

Although I consider Tear farming as somebody begging you not to pop his ship or such thing, only do it and watch him rage. Now thats Tear farming, this is just... lame from both sides.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Sin Istersly
Meat Locker
#487 - 2012-01-20 10:54:38 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Sin Istersly wrote:
Actually, most of the incursion runners seem to be crying about the nullsec crybabies crying about them not playing the mechanics as intended.

"Damn you fools for ingenuity and exploitation! We pirates are the ones who exploit stuff!" seems to be the general theme in my opinion. I find it amusing.


True...

Although I consider Tear farming as somebody begging you not to pop his ship or such thing, only do it and watch him rage. Now thats Tear farming, this is just... lame from both sides.


Eh, I suppose I cant argue. In my defense though, I dont look into the forums much, and I even more rarely post. I'm not quite sure what compelled me to get involved in this particular thread. Perhaps it was just something entertaining to do while my mining lasers did their jobs.
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
The Initiative.
#488 - 2012-01-20 11:14:02 UTC
Sin Istersly wrote:


Why would it be wise for me to take 150 mil in equipment into the middle of nullsec to get popped exactly? Derp.


No one suggests you need to take "150 mil in equipment" nor go to "the middle of nullsec" to "get popped". Derp indeed.

Hmmm
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#489 - 2012-01-20 11:28:32 UTC
Sin Istersly wrote:
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
As often as you need it...

Lysaeus wrote:
Sin Istersly wrote:
I havnt seen people so transparent and atypically refusing change since I raised my children past the age of 6. Let me guess, Mommy and Daddy didnt beat your @$$ when you had it coming?


So you beat your kids?


Only as often as needed and no more.


I don't know mate. This is just a game and you are outright saying you are guilty of what would be considered a crime in my country.
Well try and keep the discussion children safe alright? We wouldn't want you to beat them up.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#490 - 2012-01-20 12:06:19 UTC
Sin Istersly wrote:
Again, risk wise. The potential gain does not outweigh the immediate risk. Derp.

So you agree the reward doesn't meet the increased risk.

Part of that is because you can make 120mil in highsec, each hour, 24/7

Perhaps. Just perhaps, if that kind of income was only possible in 0.0 your argument would be very different.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#491 - 2012-01-20 12:25:30 UTC
Krissada wrote:
Sin Istersly wrote:
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:

So you beat your kids?


Only as often as needed and no more.


I don't know mate. This is just a game and you are outright saying you are guilty of what would be considered a crime in my country.
Well try and keep the discussion children safe alright? We wouldn't want you to beat them up.

So, when your son lights the house of fire being an idiot, you will not spank him?

I take it you prefer emotional abuse as a punishment for children. Thats terrible. Shocked

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Tyralyn
1st imperial crusade brigade
#492 - 2012-01-20 12:42:32 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Sin Istersly wrote:
Again, risk wise. The potential gain does not outweigh the immediate risk. Derp.

So you agree the reward doesn't meet the increased risk.

Part of that is because you can make 120mil in highsec, each hour, 24/7

Perhaps. Just perhaps, if that kind of income was only possible in 0.0 your argument would be very different.


I think the payout should be changed the main problem is we dont remove isk from the game with pi ccp removed the last isk destruction from the game and the isk getting more and more.
The incrusions speeded up the trend
I think one possibility is to change the payout in incurisons low money for example 2 mill per sight but much more lp
the next step is create a new concord lp shops with things they are needed in 0.0
for example tower blueprints (bpc) and remove the orginal blueprints (this is only a example)
so we keep the money inflow
A other ide is reduce the the money to 5 m per run and add tags to the lp shop :-) for a high lp price so you can spend youre lps in a usefuel way to get first the tags in lp shop and than some factionmoduls by a other lp shop
TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#493 - 2012-01-20 14:14:58 UTC  |  Edited by: TurAmarth ElRandir
Krissada wrote:
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
Krissada wrote:


So you beat your kids?


Only as often as needed and no more.


I don't know mate. This is just a game and you are outright saying you are guilty of what would be considered a crime in my country.
Well try and keep the discussion children safe alright? We wouldn't want you to beat them up.


Darius III wrote:


No one suggests you need to take "150 mil in equipment" nor go to "the middle of nullsec" to "get popped". Derp indeed.



Uh… excuse me Darius, but… Krissada #1 – “We have to put a gag to this ISK faucet and shake up those bears. If they wanna do incursions they can go to lowsec or nullsec”

So yea… the OP of this inane post is saying exactly that... and trying to force others to go to lo / null… check yer facts man.

And Sin… I do believe I found why Krissada believes s/he can tell others what to do and how they can play "he/r" MMOG…. S/he was never ‘taught’ how to get along with others and that there are consequences for he/r inappropriate and asocial actions…

Thank GOD I still live in a country that understands spare the rod, spoil the brat.

And Sin,... semper fi bro. o7

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/
TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#494 - 2012-01-20 14:35:33 UTC
Tyralyn wrote:

I think the payout should be changed the main problem is we dont remove isk from the game with pi ccp removed the last isk destruction from the game and the isk getting more and more.
The incrusions speeded up the trend
I think one possibility is to change the payout in incurisons low money for example 2 mill per sight but much more lp
the next step is create a new concord lp shops with things they are needed in 0.0
for example tower blueprints (bpc) and remove the orginal blueprints (this is only a example)
so we keep the money inflow
A other ide is reduce the the money to 5 m per run and add tags to the lp shop :-) for a high lp price so you can spend youre lps in a usefuel way to get first the tags in lp shop and than some factionmoduls by a other lp shop


OK, this is as close as anyone here has come to a reasoned and thought out arguement. I can alllmost go with this except for the base premise.

That it is somehow wrong for people to 'farm' Incursons making large amounts of ISK which they do not put into IRA's or college funds, but ply right back into the game, supporting the economy, buying ships and stuff AND as has been intimated all along, supporting the PvP habits of many a main (or alt)... I just dont see it.

Its a game, we spend time to make ISK. Moar ISK, moar ships in space, moar opportunities for PvP...
Reduce peoples incomes, you directly reduce the number of people who can afford to PvP...
You will not 'force' anyone into lo or null if they can turn to an alternate, though lesser, form of income generation... of which there are many.

The basic premise, that it is wrong and a breach of game mechanics to farm NPCs, something that has been done since NPCs first started flyin around in EVE... is sheer BS, no matter how much ISK is made.

You just dunt like it, and yer gonna do this to stir things up. If you'ld just say it and stand up for your griefing ways... I wouldn't have a word to post here. But you are trying to justify griefing... and you can't or your arguments wouldn't include the refernces to Tears... the one thing griefers all value so highly.

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/
Hoxothul
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#495 - 2012-01-20 14:57:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Hoxothul
Tyralyn wrote:

I think the payout should be changed the main problem is we dont remove isk from the game with pi ccp removed the last isk destruction from the game and the isk getting more and more.
The incrusions speeded up the trend
I think one possibility is to change the payout in incurisons low money for example 2 mill per sight but much more lp
the next step is create a new concord lp shops with things they are needed in 0.0
for example tower blueprints (bpc) and remove the orginal blueprints (this is only a example)
so we keep the money inflow
A other ide is reduce the the money to 5 m per run and add tags to the lp shop :-) for a high lp price so you can spend youre lps in a usefuel way to get first the tags in lp shop and than some factionmoduls by a other lp shop



Wow, somebody actually got it right!

We do not want Incursions removed, we do not want to permanently stop high sec carebears from playing the game either.

What we want is that highsec incursions gets balanced, in regards to both Risk vs Reward and raw ISK injection to the game.

Reduce the amount of raw ISK that are being given per side and boost the LP somewhat to make up for it. Furthermore, whenever the Mothership do spawn, rest of the sites should stop spawning, forcing the community to actually kill the Mothership and end the incursion, as it was intended from the beginning.
J Kunjeh
#496 - 2012-01-20 15:00:27 UTC
God the tears are so, so lovely in this thread. Seriously, such crybaby's abound in Eve. Kill moar mom's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#497 - 2012-01-20 15:25:43 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:
God the tears are so, so lovely in this thread. Seriously, such crybaby's abound in Eve. Kill moar mom's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://mlfw.info/f/1398/

♞
TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#498 - 2012-01-20 15:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: TurAmarth ElRandir
Tyralyn wrote:

What we want is that highsec incursions gets balanced, in regards to both Risk vs Reward and raw ISK injection to the game.

...and end the incursion, as it was intended from the beginning.



Again, well argued and I can almost, almost... see it.... but nope.

As I see it, the risk v reward has been set by CCP. They made these the hardest Hisec NPCs in the game, and bumped the rewards, in thier view, accordingly. I am satisfied with what they have decided... you aren't.

"... and end the Incursion, as it was intended..." Says who? Did CCP write up a blog saying we must end it? That the Mom must be killed? If so why dont the mechanics already force that? It would be easy to do according to many here, but they did not set the mechanics that way... and they know ALL about NPC farming, it has been going on for years now... so why did they not code for a forced end? Why did they allow NPC farming in Incursions...?

Mebbe to intiate this sort of player v player drama... one wonders.

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/
Hoxothul
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#499 - 2012-01-20 15:46:05 UTC
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
Tyralyn wrote:

What we want is that highsec incursions gets balanced, in regards to both Risk vs Reward and raw ISK injection to the game.

...and end the incursion, as it was intended from the beginning.



Again, well argued and I can almost, almost... see it.... but nope.

As I see it, the risk v reward has been set by CCP. They made these the hardest Hisec NPCs in the game, and bumped the rewards, in thier view, accordingly. I am satisfied with what they have decided... you aren't.

"... and end the Incursion, as it was intended..." Says who? Did CCP wite up a blog saying we msut end it? That the Mom must be killed? If so why dont the mechanics already force that? It would be easy to do according to many here, but they did not set the mechanics that way... and they know ALL about NPC farmnot code for a ing, it has been going on for years now... so why did they not code for a forced end? Why did they allow NPC farming in Incursions...?

Mebbe to intiate this sort of player v player drama... one wonders.



Concord pays to you defeat Sanshas raiding forces, to protect the citizens of high sec from slavery, no? How exactly are you defending them by keeping the Mothership alive as long as possible so that you can farm the vanguards?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#500 - 2012-01-20 15:56:00 UTC
Sin Istersly wrote:
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
As often as you need it...

Lysaeus wrote:
Sin Istersly wrote:
I havnt seen people so transparent and atypically refusing change since I raised my children past the age of 6. Let me guess, Mommy and Daddy didnt beat your @$$ when you had it coming?


So you beat your kids?


Only as often as needed and no more. All things in moderation, and lets face it, if your honest with yourself, as a child, I dont think a single one of us as people can deny that at some point in our upbringing, we we're snotty, stuck up, bratty, and spoiled to the point that nothing would get thru to us but a swift smack on the ass. I know I was at time and I'm grateful for the spankings I received when they were deserved. It kept me from turning into some of the crybabies you've seen propogating this thread. I'm not saying I liked it, I'm not saying anything sexual, and I'm not saying everyone should beat their kids. I'm saying I'm glad my parents disciplined me appropriately.

For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5jxvEs3hYk

Perhaps if she'd been spanked on occasion she wouldnt be whining about getting a new car in the wrong color.

My dad 'gave' me a car when I turned 18.

His 88 ford crown victoria.

Gave me a deal too, $1000 bucks for it and he helped me fix the transmission. Twice. I was grateful.

Even let me use his tools, and the rest of the gas in the tank, such kindness. I'm sure he would have backhanded me for complaining about it being a red ford, but you know what, that old POS was held together by rust and bubblegum, got 7 miles to the gallon, no AC, no radio, and it drove like a up armored tank. But I loved that car. Wish I didnt have to sell it when I deployed. Hell, if I ever get the money, I'm gonna try to buy it back. I miss that old road tank. Here's some real tears for you crybears. Sad



There's a lot to what you are writing.

Starting around the early 1990s, there was a movement in parenting that was all about letting your kids know how special and wonderful and smart they are, in spite of any evidence to the contrary.

We are now seeing the "fruits" of that labor, in game and out. A lot of people are so thinking they are so great at everything and living in a little bubble of their own perception when in fact, they suck as people and suck at what they do. I have to deal with these zombies every day. These are the people who tell you their name and expect you to jump for joy.

And these are the people with a dangerous sense of entitlement. I hope those that play this game learn to shed it before some RL situation comes up where their overblown sense of self could get them killed.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!