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Incursions: CCP is too slow - now we will act

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Mr Morita
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#381 - 2012-01-19 17:25:13 UTC
What's an incursion?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#382 - 2012-01-19 17:30:15 UTC
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
Unless….
You have an invulnerable Hulk and Orca and you manufacture ALL your ships and mods yourself?
Or are you sooooo uber you NEVER lose?
Or are you just uber enough to lose only what you can replace through lewt and salvage?
Or.... do you buy your ships, RMT?


Exploration is my poison and I have en exploration Cyclone that's been crisscrossing from high, through WHs and 0.0 since 2009 and it even has a large grav cap rig to prove its age.

Intel and strategy keeps it alive. I've been hunted, chased, and bubbled a few times (didn't think a BC could go so fast, did they). Every goal I had, I achieved, without being discovered most of the time, which was the point. Many times I returned with a cargo hold full of sleeper and 0.0 exploration loot without so much as a scratch.

I don't treat the game like modern warfare where my hangar is more like a respawn point. I never had more than 500 million ISK in my wallet, give or take a few, and only run SOE L4s for the LPs (to get probes) and cred for jump clones.

Don't know what game you are playing. This is not "attrition online". Play smarter.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Dzajic
#383 - 2012-01-19 17:31:53 UTC
Krissada wrote:
Dzajic wrote:
I will kindly point you to CSM minutes where CCP and CSM agreed that sites actually already last too short (yeah, only a week) and that moms get vulnerable too soon. Take form that what you wish.


Again I will go for an ad hominem. This case because you have no idea what you are talking about. You sir are dumb.
Doing what we are doing requires insider knowledge about how incursions work and everything about this mechanic and this has taught us that:

What CCP and CSM is referring to in the minutes is that incursions last too short in terms of "when they can be killed" if it wasn't for the carebear NAP you have all setup. In terms of the influence and penalties being removed in less than a day from the incursion and then it is a pure safe heaven for everyone to come and earn isk.

That is what they are talking about. Not the "incursions should last more than 7 days".
Yet another argument of yours taken down to the ground. Oh please do keep going.


Ok, other than calling my dumb for 5th time; could you please answer any of my questions?

How much should high sec incursions pay?
What is it that you keep mentioning that we should do to stop you?

Btw the "carebear NAP" is only reasonable thing anyone would have done in the same position. I've asked dozen times in this and M&E thread, why in the name of God would anyone intentionally chose to decrease their potential for isk making?
Ricand Michelliaos
Estrale Frontiers
#384 - 2012-01-19 17:35:25 UTC
Well this is a clever thing.


SIgn me up. I Can fly any T1 Subcap you want flown for this, Including Pirate faction and navy faction ships.
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#385 - 2012-01-19 17:45:09 UTC
Dzajic wrote:


Ok, other than calling my dumb for 5th time; could you please answer any of my questions?

How much should high sec incursions pay?


I am not a game designer and thus that is not up to me to decide the exact amount, but when I earn the equivalent in a C5 with faction, t3 and capital ships running sites as I can running sites in highsec with no risk of being hotdropped by rooks and kings with 5 guardians, 3 bhaalgorns and a ton of t3's then why would I ever want to actually do sites in w-space?
I could just live there just for the PvP and excitement, not for the site and have alts bringing in the isk in highsec.
Yep sounds like a damn nice game change to me. Might as well remove all the sleepers from wormhole.

Oh while we talk about inflation. Did you notice that nanoribbons (they come from w-space) have gone up to over 8 million isk now? I am sure it's not because people aren't running sites anymore in w-space.


Dzajic wrote:

What is it that you keep mentioning that we should do to stop you?

Btw the "carebear NAP" is only reasonable thing anyone would have done in the same position. I've asked dozen times in this and M&E thread, why in the name of God would anyone intentionally chose to decrease their potential for isk making?


I don't know if you haven't noticed. You should as it seems like you enjoy/do incursions.
There is a highsec island incursion currently available and we are going to kill incursions tomorrow.

Hang on let me cut this out for you so even a monkey can understand it.

Highsec island Incursion + lowsec systems + two hostile forces.

Lowsec + two hostile forces.

Lowsec + hostility = PvP.

Now spell it with me.

P
V
P
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#386 - 2012-01-19 17:48:43 UTC
Ricand Michelliaos wrote:
Well this is a clever thing.


SIgn me up. I Can fly any T1 Subcap you want flown for this, Including Pirate faction and navy faction ships.


Well join us tomorrow. Bring an armor buffered BS with pew-pew guns.
Medium range engagement expected.
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#387 - 2012-01-19 17:56:53 UTC
Frank Pannon wrote:
Here is my simple logic.

Running incursions helps me to buy PvP ships and participate in lowsec, nullsec and WH fleets with friends .


You run incursions to replace 6 T1 frigs?
J Kunjeh
#388 - 2012-01-19 17:56:59 UTC
Krissada wrote:
Ricand Michelliaos wrote:
Well this is a clever thing.


SIgn me up. I Can fly any T1 Subcap you want flown for this, Including Pirate faction and navy faction ships.


Well join us tomorrow. Bring an armor buffered BS with pew-pew guns.
Medium range engagement expected.


Any use for peeps who can't fly BS and above? I can fly a BC (almost into HAC's, a few more days...).

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
R34PER
De Vliegende Hollander.
Dracarys.
#389 - 2012-01-19 17:57:16 UTC
I am in for this. Megathron and Machariel at my disposal, and if necessary a Loki Cool
Ricand Michelliaos
Estrale Frontiers
#390 - 2012-01-19 17:57:50 UTC
Krissada wrote:
Ricand Michelliaos wrote:
Well this is a clever thing.


SIgn me up. I Can fly any T1 Subcap you want flown for this, Including Pirate faction and navy faction ships.


Well join us tomorrow. Bring an armor buffered BS with pew-pew guns.
Medium range engagement expected.



Just name the Time and Place, I'll be there.
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#391 - 2012-01-19 18:00:04 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:

Any use for peeps who can't fly BS and above? I can fly a BC (almost into HAC's, a few more days...).


A 1600 plated battlecruiser with afterburner (no mwd!) wouldn't be way off either. Smile
Friday at 21.00 EVE time in Austraka solar system gentlemen.

Join "Grief the Bears" before you head off tomorrow though. There might be a change in plans if another incursion appears.
We shall see Pirate
J Kunjeh
#392 - 2012-01-19 18:00:37 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

My beef with the incursion mechanic is that no other PVE content allows you to string it along for more ISK at will, and at the same time, give you a path of lesser resistance (easier sites with pimp ships). The elitism that perpetuates through the incursion community is also bothersome.


That's actually not true. You can do the same to missions...just don't turn them in and wait for them to respawn at DT.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#393 - 2012-01-19 18:38:25 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
Unless….
You have an invulnerable Hulk and Orca and you manufacture ALL your ships and mods yourself?
Or are you sooooo uber you NEVER lose?
Or are you just uber enough to lose only what you can replace through lewt and salvage?
Or.... do you buy your ships, RMT?


Exploration is my poison and I have en exploration Cyclone that's been crisscrossing from high, through WHs and 0.0 since 2009 and it even has a large grav cap rig to prove its age.

Intel and strategy keeps it alive. I've been hunted, chased, and bubbled a few times (didn't think a BC could go so fast, did they). Every goal I had, I achieved, without being discovered most of the time, which was the point. Many times I returned with a cargo hold full of sleeper and 0.0 exploration loot without so much as a scratch.

I don't treat the game like modern warfare where my hangar is more like a respawn point. I never had more than 500 million ISK in my wallet, give or take a few, and only run SOE L4s for the LPs (to get probes) and cred for jump clones.

Don't know what game you are playing. This is not "attrition online". Play smarter.



Playing EVE, same as you... just inna different way is all.
Man, we are on the same side here.
I am not playing Attrition Online either... my thing is “living” in W-space, while you explore all of EVE... but I have lost ships. (moar than you though)… LOL an ’06 char with a BC record of 6 and 3?… just 3 losses in 5 to 6 years?

Great record for a bear (not a slam as obviously PvP is not your primary focus.) and Kudos to you for playing your way and being so successful at it. But still, you had to, at some point, make enough ISK to buy the books, ships, mods you do have (though in your case just not “Incursion ISK” as twere)…

I, and my corp, consider ourselves “carebadgers”… we do PvE, mining, run Sleepers and we do PvP when needed (homehole defense) and desired (other hole raids, losec roams) and in self defense, Empire ganks, Wars et al… I just consider PvP a ‘part’ of my game, not the be all and end all like Krissada and her ilk do…

EVE is SOOOOOO much moar than JUST people in pixilated spasships asploding other people in pixilated spasships … it is one aspect, an important aspect, but just one part of the tapestry and panorama that is EVE…

I’ve said it afore, I’ll say it again…. I love this game.

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/
drdxie
#394 - 2012-01-19 18:50:03 UTC
Krissada wrote:
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I am not a game designer and thus that is not up to me to decide the exact amount, but when I earn the equivalent in a C5 with faction, t3 and capital ships running sites as I can running sites in highsec with no risk of being hotdropped by rooks and kings with 5 guardians, 3 bhaalgorns and a ton of t3's then why would I ever want to actually do sites in w-space?
I could just live there just for the PvP and excitement, not for the site and have alts bringing in the isk in highsec.
Yep sounds like a damn nice game change to me. Might as well remove all the sleepers from wormhole.

Oh while we talk about inflation. Did you notice that nanoribbons (they come from w-space) have gone up to over 8 million isk now? I am sure it's not because people aren't running sites anymore in w-space.



Clearly you doing it wrong I make more isk in a C3 or C4 than i would in incursions with less effort. Try some mining, PI or indy to help you out. i think the reason the nano's have gone up is that everyone in a wh is now making T3's so demand for the HS industrialist is higher. If you so upset about your wh yields.. move out and go run incursions.... I am guessing you have done them before but you're upset cause like your wh'ing.. someone else does it better Roll

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#395 - 2012-01-19 19:13:19 UTC
drdxie wrote:

Clearly you doing it wrong I make more isk in a C3 or C4 than i would in incursions with less effort. Try some mining, PI or indy to help you out. i think the reason the nano's have gone up is that everyone in a wh is now making T3's so demand for the HS industrialist is higher. If you so upset about your wh yields.. move out and go run incursions.... I am guessing you have done them before but you're upset cause like your wh'ing.. someone else does it better Roll


Come on then chap. Roll Give me your numbers and please do substract POS upkeep scanning/closing wormholes and similar time consuming tasks. How much isk can you earn on a single client doing c3 or c4?
All incursion runners have to do is travel to the constellation and wait for a fleet.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#396 - 2012-01-19 19:16:43 UTC
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
Unless….
You have an invulnerable Hulk and Orca and you manufacture ALL your ships and mods yourself?
Or are you sooooo uber you NEVER lose?
Or are you just uber enough to lose only what you can replace through lewt and salvage?
Or.... do you buy your ships, RMT?


Exploration is my poison and I have en exploration Cyclone that's been crisscrossing from high, through WHs and 0.0 since 2009 and it even has a large grav cap rig to prove its age.

Intel and strategy keeps it alive. I've been hunted, chased, and bubbled a few times (didn't think a BC could go so fast, did they). Every goal I had, I achieved, without being discovered most of the time, which was the point. Many times I returned with a cargo hold full of sleeper and 0.0 exploration loot without so much as a scratch.

I don't treat the game like modern warfare where my hangar is more like a respawn point. I never had more than 500 million ISK in my wallet, give or take a few, and only run SOE L4s for the LPs (to get probes) and cred for jump clones.

Don't know what game you are playing. This is not "attrition online". Play smarter.



Playing EVE, same as you... just inna different way is all.
Man, we are on the same side here.
I am not playing Attrition Online either... my thing is “living” in W-space, while you explore all of EVE... but I have lost ships. (moar than you though)… LOL an ’06 char with a BC record of 6 and 3?… just 3 losses in 5 to 6 years?

Great record for a bear (not a slam as obviously PvP is not your primary focus.) and Kudos to you for playing your way and being so successful at it. But still, you had to, at some point, make enough ISK to buy the books, ships, mods you do have (though in your case just not “Incursion ISK” as twere)…

I, and my corp, consider ourselves “carebadgers”… we do PvE, mining, run Sleepers and we do PvP when needed (homehole defense) and desired (other hole raids, losec roams) and in self defense, Empire ganks, Wars et al… I just consider PvP a ‘part’ of my game, not the be all and end all like Krissada and her ilk do…

EVE is SOOOOOO much moar than JUST people in pixilated spasships asploding other people in pixilated spasships … it is one aspect, an important aspect, but just one part of the tapestry and panorama that is EVE…

I’ve said it afore, I’ll say it again…. I love this game.



Well then, why don't you join the mom takedown fleet and have a good time? It's an aspect of the panorama you should consider and you might get lucky and loot the mom (be fast getting out of there if you do P )

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#397 - 2012-01-19 19:37:16 UTC
Krissada wrote:
[quote=Dzajic]

…then why would I ever want to actually do sites in w-space?
I could just live there just for the PvP and excitement, not for the site and have alts bringing in the isk in highsec.

…Did you notice that nanoribbons (they come from w-space) have gone up to over 8 million isk now?



Evidently you haven’t spent a lot of time in W-space… it is downright boring most of the time… prolly a lot like living in some desert system out deep in null. Oh, we do get a few visitors every now and again (and it can be fun when we do) but Sleepers dunt ‘roam’… and the rest of the time it’s just us… hangin out, bangin on each other… very rural life actually, suits me well.

And thanx… reminds me I needa go ta Jita ASAP. Gotta a load of Melted Nanomoney just waitin to be turned into a Thanatos… LOL

(Oh! Sorry dint mean to offend you with my ISK for ships talk…)


Herzog – “Well then, why don't you join the mom takedown fleet and have a good time? It's an aspect of the panorama you should consider...)

Naw… but one of my Allies is considerin the fun to be had gankin the gankers… LOL

“It should be against The Law to kill anyone’s Mother… “ =]

=====================================================

And now I take my leave (to go scan down the losec hole outta here) and share with you the…

Pater Nulla
The EVEning Prayer

CCP, which art in The Land of Ice,
(Don’t let this go to your heads…)

To Thy New Eden we come,
Thy DPS to be done, in Hek,
As it is in Jita.

Give us this day our daily Adrenaline Rush,
And forgive them their piratical ways,
As we cloak and warp once more from harms ganking grasp.

Lead us not into Gate Camps,
But help us as we camp gates,
against them.

And deliver our cargos from evil,
For thine is the Server, the Sandbox,
The DPS and the Tank,

For ever and ever…
(or at least until the wife gets home...)

This We beseech thee in Chribba's name,
Allow not the tears and whines of the small
and the weak, the griefer and the bear,
to change the Rules Of The 'Verse,
in which we live, and die, our Virtual Lives.

AhhhhhMen…

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/
drdxie
#398 - 2012-01-19 19:41:33 UTC
Krissada wrote:
drdxie wrote:

Clearly you doing it wrong I make more isk in a C3 or C4 than i would in incursions with less effort. Try some mining, PI or indy to help you out. i think the reason the nano's have gone up is that everyone in a wh is now making T3's so demand for the HS industrialist is higher. If you so upset about your wh yields.. move out and go run incursions.... I am guessing you have done them before but you're upset cause like your wh'ing.. someone else does it better Roll


Come on then chap. Roll Give me your numbers and please do substract POS upkeep scanning/closing wormholes and similar time consuming tasks. How much isk can you earn on a single client doing c3 or c4?
All incursion runners have to do is travel to the constellation and wait for a fleet.


To be honest.. I haven't kept record.. but I started with 2 accounts in a C3. Just me dual boxing I managed to plex 3 accounts, each have a tengu, I have a chimera, phoenix, orca, fenrir, hulks and a faction fitted NM( got this just for incursions Big smile, mostlyu cause I am bored of playing with myself ) and a host of other ships. i have lost 2 Tengu's and numerous other ships in the C3.. its difficult to win any battles when you jumped and its just you dual boxing against an organized wh PVP fleet.. bhalg hurt a PVE tengu, but you know this... I have recently moved to a C4 with a friend so 4 accounts(2 people) in the C4.. built the carrier and phoenix in there. I run a large tower.. sadly don't have all the planets needed for PI for fuel so have to bring it in. I constantly loose ships traveling in the wh... I recently started a 4th account.. so all 4 are plexed, this one for null PVP, I suck at it so need to learn. My wallet between my accounts is round 1.6 bil. Just started incursion's so have maybe made 500mil from that. I play for 3-4 hrs 7 days a week....
My first account is only round 1 and a half years old.
I hate lazy ass gankers like I hate RL criminals.. yea I am a care bear.. but put effort in to get the rewards, don't need some slacker ganker who can't do anything else by himself come and ruin my day.
There .. now you know my life story. If you consider these care bear tears.. enjoy.. but I really couldn't be arsed if I get ganked.. will just replace. When I do my Jita run next... my wallet will be back up to round 3 bil.. so gank way.. slackers..
Yea I am not stinking rich by many eve player standards.. but I enjoy the game.

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#399 - 2012-01-19 19:52:10 UTC
One of the funny paradigms of this topic is that while many claim this is motivated by people trying to foist their game play style or goals on others, a lot of the politics and non-agression of the motherships is the result of people foisting their goals and play style on others.

Mothership's still a legitimate PVE target, no matter who says what and no matter how anybody feels about it.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc.
#400 - 2012-01-19 19:54:12 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
One of the funny paradigms of this topic is that while many claim this is motivated by people trying to foist their game play style or goals on others, a lot of the politics and non-agression of the motherships is the result of people foisting their goals and play style on others.

Mothership's still a legitimate PVE target, no matter who says what and no matter how anybody feels about it.





+1 quoted for truth

TurAmarth ElRandir Anoikis Merc, Salvager, Logibro and Unrepentant Blogger Fly Wreckless and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/