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Incursions: CCP is too slow - now we will act

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Alex Veritae
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2012-01-16 04:58:13 UTC
I must admit I'm looking forward to all the entertaining replies I can only assume that post will get thanks for entertaining me Gents.
Alex Veritae
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2012-01-16 04:59:07 UTC
I find this hilarious. You do realize that if these alts are really from mains that are in 0.0 and they are pvpers it is entirely possible that they decide they've had enough and come ecm YOUR logis in mom fleets right? You're just putting all your griefers in one basket and begging to get attacked. Personally I have enough ISK to pvp for a while without needing a place to make isk and I'd much prefer to be fighting live people than some computer AI, but here's my thoughts.

#1 ok I'll grant you it is a little odd not to kill the target or a assault when it's available
#2 Yes you may make some carebare tears and maybe get some revenge.
#3 the problem here is that while carebares care about their ISK YOU care about your KB
#4 if the carebares are smart they turn the tables on you take a page from your playbook and gank YOU
#5 You have a few jars of tears carebares get bucket fulls of yours when your KB shows up with 10-20 ships killed by rats.

Will they do it? who knows. If what pvpers everywhere say about carebares is true then they probably wont figure it out, but even if they don't interest in this will wane and at most you'll have forced a few carebares to learn to pvp enough to move out and plex. It isn't exactly like those who form mega alliances and rent out aren't doing exactly the same thing. They don't need to be "able" to fight and hold their space they just throw all the isk they earned from renters into massive cap and subcap fleets and blob until their opponent cant afford to field a fleet. In the end everyone in eve is a greedy a***** we all want enough isk to fly the ships we dream of at night and we all to an extent know not to fly what we cant afford to lose. Thus we all search for that golden opportunity to make quick isk. You may look down on these incubares, but by the same token you aren't much different. You are out for kills, and not enough people are coming out to null for plexs or techmoons so you seek to force your prey out of highsec. The problem to all of this is if you grief the people who supply the markets enough and they skyrocket the prices we will ALL be in pain. The Industry titans will ALWAYS have the rest of us by the B**ls and thats true in life as well as in the game. Don't like it? Get your own Captain of industry but wait.... then you're just the same as the people you despise. If they don't like it they could get PVP characters and go toe to toe with you! Wait.... They hate us pvpers as much as we hate carebares. Here's the bottom line without these isk hungry carebares the market prices would kill people's ability to pvp at the current level, and without us gun happy jerks who get itchy trigger fingers when we see pods in highsec and people autopiloting around few ships would be lost and there would be no demand. The truth is they need us and we need them it's a cycle people. You want to TRULLY get rid of carebares. you have to be one yourself. Unless everyone makes his or her own stuff and only uses what they can make themselves there will always be this dichotomy.
Alex Veritae
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#183 - 2012-01-16 04:59:47 UTC
lol and my second post hit before my first for some reason wow :) Fail forum post
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#184 - 2012-01-16 05:27:15 UTC
Alex Veritae wrote:
I find this hilarious. You do realize that if these alts are really from mains that are in 0.0 and they are pvpers it is entirely possible that they decide they've had enough and come ecm YOUR logis in mom fleets right? You're just putting all your griefers in one basket and begging to get attacked. Personally I have enough ISK to pvp for a while without needing a place to make isk and I'd much prefer to be fighting live people than some computer AI, but here's my thoughts.

#1 ok I'll grant you it is a little odd not to kill the target or a assault when it's available
#2 Yes you may make some carebare tears and maybe get some revenge.
#3 the problem here is that while carebares care about their ISK YOU care about your KB
#4 if the carebares are smart they turn the tables on you take a page from your playbook and gank YOU
#5 You have a few jars of tears carebares get bucket fulls of yours when your KB shows up with 10-20 ships killed by rats.

Will they do it? who knows. If what pvpers everywhere say about carebares is true then they probably wont figure it out, but even if they don't interest in this will wane and at most you'll have forced a few carebares to learn to pvp enough to move out and plex. It isn't exactly like those who form mega alliances and rent out aren't doing exactly the same thing. They don't need to be "able" to fight and hold their space they just throw all the isk they earned from renters into massive cap and subcap fleets and blob until their opponent cant afford to field a fleet. In the end everyone in eve is a greedy a***** we all want enough isk to fly the ships we dream of at night and we all to an extent know not to fly what we cant afford to lose. Thus we all search for that golden opportunity to make quick isk. You may look down on these incubares, but by the same token you aren't much different. You are out for kills, and not enough people are coming out to null for plexs or techmoons so you seek to force your prey out of highsec. The problem to all of this is if you grief the people who supply the markets enough and they skyrocket the prices we will ALL be in pain. The Industry titans will ALWAYS have the rest of us by the B**ls and thats true in life as well as in the game. Don't like it? Get your own Captain of industry but wait.... then you're just the same as the people you despise. If they don't like it they could get PVP characters and go toe to toe with you! Wait.... They hate us pvpers as much as we hate carebares. Here's the bottom line without these isk hungry carebares the market prices would kill people's ability to pvp at the current level, and without us gun happy jerks who get itchy trigger fingers when we see pods in highsec and people autopiloting around few ships would be lost and there would be no demand. The truth is they need us and we need them it's a cycle people. You want to TRULLY get rid of carebares. you have to be one yourself. Unless everyone makes his or her own stuff and only uses what they can make themselves there will always be this dichotomy.


http://mlfw.info/f/893/
G0hme
Perkone
Caldari State
#185 - 2012-01-16 05:42:15 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
Mimeo wrote:
Keith Planck wrote:
Hoxothul wrote:
You seem to have missed the other suicide fleets we did..


you are correct i was not there for those, my mistake Blink



Prolly be a good idea to have your facts in order before you go spouting off at the mouth.


too much effort
http://mlfw.info/f/104/


*ptzzzzz* i dont think anyone actually clicks your links

Shook Eelm's hand at Fanfest 2012

Shook CCP Soundwave's hand at Fanfest 2013

Got NPC API removed from Wormhole Space.

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
Against ALL Authorities.
#186 - 2012-01-16 05:51:20 UTC
Keith. Dude seriously. Stop posting. Drugs ARE BAD. You are spinning out of control. Put your router in dishwasher and run the thing for a cycle.

Hmmm

Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#187 - 2012-01-16 05:57:23 UTC
Darius III wrote:
Keith. Dude seriously. Stop posting. Drugs ARE BAD. You are spinning out of control. Put your router in dishwasher and run the thing for a cycle.


I can't help it I I I I JUST...
http://mlfw.info/f/2225/
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#188 - 2012-01-16 07:46:02 UTC
Alex Veritae wrote:
Holy **** a huge amount of words with no paragraph breaks. **** you so much for doing these terrible things to our glorious language.


Having pawed my way through the entrails of this post looking for its meaning, I have found a couple of points that I'd like to address.

1) What if these dudes get their mains and do mean things to us? Good! Excellent. This really is a situation in which I think the best response actually is come at me, bro. I mean, most people can't do **** to us, but if I somehow mystically found myself staring down the barrel of Rooks and Kings (I'm such an R&K fanboy), it would probably be the most exciting thing that's happened to me in some time and well worth my monthly fifteen bucks.

What if I got something suicide ganked out from under me? Bummer. Not the end of the world. Just means I need to be more careful. I lost a boosting Tengu to a suicide gank about two weeks ago and it set me back something like 350m. It's part of the game.

2) We're driving the captains of industry that we rely on out of the game? Not terribly. Here I'll point to the often overlooked distinction between industrialists and carebears. For instance, I'm reasonably tight with one of the major industrialists for the CFC, who does a lot of their cap production and t2 production. He has never, to my knowledge, fit a weapon system to a ship. However, he runs his spreadsheets like a ninja, well aware of the realities of the game. Realities that say that his shipment of materials he's already paid for could get blown up. Or he could get market-****** by people who are obtensibly on his side. He just takes that into account when making his plans.

And that is exactly the sort of player that's doing the heavy lifting on the industry-side in this game. As far as actual ships and mods moved to market, he's easily worth a dozen carebear hulk pilots using two industrial slots.

Besides, nearly everyone has an indy toon and occationally tinkers around building things. Hell, even the Skunkworks invents and makes t3s. I don't think we will fall into major economic collapse due to some pubbie fucks having a hissy fit and switching to the new Star Wars MMO.

3) You have a butt for a head and your head smells like poo. And you, incursion runners, should not have decced Skunkworks because one of our dudes got a cute gank way back in the day. It's caused you so much pain and misery.
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#189 - 2012-01-16 15:04:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
Psychotic Monk wrote:
You have a butt for a head and your head smells like poo. And you, incursion runners, should not have decced Skunkworks because one of our dudes got a cute gank way back in the day. It's caused you so much pain and misery.


i lol'd
http://mlfw.info/f/1925/

Psy do you have the killboard that has all the incursion kills you guys got on it? I've been trying to find the one that was over 100billion but didn't you guys corp hop out of skunkworks for it?
Argus Eritaramis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#190 - 2012-01-16 16:49:11 UTC
You do realize you have just managed to prove that CCP does not need to change incursions, right?

More so than tech moons, they are giving people something to fight about - and thats exactly what eve is all about.


So the more you prove you can police the incursions through your own actions, the more you in fact insure that everything will just keep on as it is.

I just love the irony.
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#191 - 2012-01-16 16:50:35 UTC
Argus Eritaramis wrote:
You do realize you have just managed to prove that CCP does not need to change incursions, right?

More so than tech moons, they are giving people something to fight about - and thats exactly what eve is all about.


So the more you prove you can police the incursions through your own actions, the more you in fact insure that everything will just keep on as it is.

I just love the irony.


No worries mate.
I love an endless well of carebear tears too.
Dzajic
#192 - 2012-01-16 17:38:07 UTC
Argus Eritaramis wrote:
You do realize you have just managed to prove that CCP does not need to change incursions, right?

More so than tech moons, they are giving people something to fight about - and thats exactly what eve is all about.


So the more you prove you can police the incursions through your own actions, the more you in fact insure that everything will just keep on as it is.

I just love the irony.



You are wrong. You can't "Fight over and incursion" when one side wants to keep them open ; and other side wants to close them all but one, cram everyone in there and flood channels with griefing "fleets". "Fighting over an incrusions " is your bog standard site contesting that has been going on from forever.

Attacking side has an enormous advantage. Imagine if Tech moons were destroyable. Though not completely same as in that case all Tc moons in EVE would be gone in couple of months.
OldMan Gana
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#193 - 2012-01-16 17:42:56 UTC
They should move incursions to npc null or at the very least- 0.2 system.

Those of us who live in NPC null run the odd angel mission here and there, have one eye on the mission and a bigger eye on local, and there's folks in hi sec running isk farming machines risk free from any hassle?
Don't think so.

Love United- Hate Glazer

G0hme
Perkone
Caldari State
#194 - 2012-01-16 18:05:14 UTC
OldMan Gana wrote:
They should move incursions to npc null or at the very least- 0.2 system.

Those of us who live in NPC null run the odd angel mission here and there, have one eye on the mission and a bigger eye on local, and there's folks in hi sec running isk farming machines risk free from any hassle?
Don't think so.


Not anymore dude Twisted

Shook Eelm's hand at Fanfest 2012

Shook CCP Soundwave's hand at Fanfest 2013

Got NPC API removed from Wormhole Space.

Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#195 - 2012-01-16 18:15:51 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:

Psy do you have the killboard that has all the incursion kills you guys got on it? I've been trying to find the one that was over 100billion but didn't you guys corp hop out of skunkworks for it?

http://www.forscience.co/KB/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=8&view=kills
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#196 - 2012-01-16 21:28:56 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Keith Planck wrote:

Psy do you have the killboard that has all the incursion kills you guys got on it? I've been trying to find the one that was over 100billion but didn't you guys corp hop out of skunkworks for it?

http://www.forscience.co/KB/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=8&view=kills


tyvm bookmarked that ****

you guys might get a kick out of this
http://i.imgur.com/FtezX.jpg
not ponies this time i promise <3
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#197 - 2012-01-16 21:42:02 UTC
So I see the bears have already ground up the new incursions to where the motherships have popped...Who's leading the next fleet?
drdxie
#198 - 2012-01-16 22:53:11 UTC
Curious to know why anyone would fleet with you lot.. clearly you in it for the tears, so I join your mom gang.. you leave me out to dry.. cool concept.. why go looking for the kill if you can scam them into coming to you...

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277

Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#199 - 2012-01-16 23:06:41 UTC
OldMan Gana wrote:
They should move incursions to npc null or at the very least- 0.2 system.

Those of us who live in NPC null run the odd angel mission here and there, have one eye on the mission and a bigger eye on local, and there's folks in hi sec running isk farming machines risk free from any hassle?
Don't think so.


this made me lol if you dont make huge isk in null quit now.

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”

drdxie
#200 - 2012-01-16 23:21:17 UTC
Tian Nu wrote:
OldMan Gana wrote:
They should move incursions to npc null or at the very least- 0.2 system.

Those of us who live in NPC null run the odd angel mission here and there, have one eye on the mission and a bigger eye on local, and there's folks in hi sec running isk farming machines risk free from any hassle?
Don't think so.


this made me lol if you dont make huge isk in null quit now.


There are incursion in lower sec areas.. no one runs them cause you wouldn't be able to trust your own fleet as you all in it for the easy KM.. LolLolLolLolLol and that's why you messing with the carebears cause finally they have a way to make easy isk like all the null corps... your just jealous... Blink

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277