Missions & Complexes

My DPS Is near 800 with Tengu my targets are mostly 60+% kinetic. With Tengu you orbit something that is it can blast **** at 120KM way with the same damage as if they are 1km. My DPS is just fine with Tengu actually over all it is better, no drones, no optimal, no consideration for distance et al.

I understand people love the Mach and love to pretend it is Far superior to the Tengu but that is just a fantasy. Me and my alt put about 1500 to 1600 sustained and constant DPS in missions. No misses etc. Even with standard 40isk missiles with my alt he can kill any frigate spider or anything in a couple hits.

I fly the Mach it is fun sometimes but this fanboy club for the ship really is rather interesting to watch. Obviously you don't fly the tengu though. Mach is fine in some missions and sucks in some missions just like every other ship.

Sentry rattlesnake.

I find it best to divide roles, have one ship be a heavy dps ship, and obviously focus on big targets, and have the other pick of frigates and smaller ships. Sentry rattlesnake properly fitted can pick of frigs and elite frigs in single shots and still lay a bit of damage to the larger targets with the 3 slots of cruise missiles to help take out larger targets, or two targets simultaneously.

Actually, I checked some mission times for the Tengu and the MWD Mach, and... for level 4s in high-sec Minnie space, there's some truth to the Mach not being all that and a box of chips.

Yeah it is good sometimes but not all the time and not even 50% of the time.

800 dps with a heavy missile tengu? So you use what, Scourge fury missiles, implants, T2 rigs, and navy BCU's? Using T2, you get about 600 dps from that setup, so I assume you have some 4+ bil lolfit with half of it in your clone to make your cruiser do what a BS already does better. By that same logic, I could take a nightmare and make it do 1400 dps. You can't even claim the missile advantage of cherry picking damage types, since the kinetic bonus on tengus means you always use kinetic unless your skills are below 5. Not to mention you have to worry about reloading, wasting millions on T2/faction ammo, defender missiles, and wasted volleys due to flight time, especially if you snipe mission rats from 120km.

Egad, you're a bit off there. It's 784 DPS in EFT (and 769 DPS in Pyfa (bug in pyfa?)) with that setup, pyfa shows a price of 263M for the ship, 921M in fittings for 1.18 billion isk (plus 5% damage and rof implants.) No 4+ bil lolfit needed.



Kinetic works well against against almost all mission NPCs. Generally, it's only the EM weak such as BR and Sansha it's inefficient to run a Tengu against. Drones are a big hit and miss when it comes to EM weakness (never use EM on Elite Drone Parasites[1].)

Millions on T2 ammo? If you're blitzing, you're not spending millions on ammo per mission. Even something kill heavy like Mordus Headhunters burns through less than 500k isk in missiles, which is more than covered by the mission rewards. Remember, you're making most of your isk via LP, so the ammo costs are chump change.

Sniping from 120km in a Tengu? Now you're smoking something really potent. The Tengu's tank is strong enough and it's fast enough that you don't have to snipe. Damsel can be blitzed in ~six minutes by simply orbiting the garden focusing entirely on the garden and the two spider drones that pop up. Blockade and Buzz Kill can be blitzed by killing just the triggers and mitigating the rest of the DPS through some very basic maneuvering.

And like I said earlier, I'm getting some comparable mission times between the Tengu and an MWD Mach. One Day(tm) I'll post my data.

[1] Elite Drone Parasite have an EHP of 37,000 versus EM and ~25,000 against all other damage types.

It depends a bit how you do it and agent location.

2x Gank BS
1x Gank BS 1x T3 dps
2x T2 BC's
etc...

If the agent loves to send you few jumps out and/or you get often missions involving long distances between gates T3 might have edge. For low travel missions with bigger targets BS is better and T2 BC's are somewhere inbetween these two - depending on missions - in some that flight of light drones can make T2 have a small edge over T3.

Big factor is also your particular playstyle in missions. What is best for me does not need to be the best for you.

Eh? Blitzing Damsel:
Tengu: 3m 7s (plus 3m 50s travel time)

Golem: 1m 59s (Eight or so volleys of Rage torps, mids are entirely devoted to tanking, tractor the two cans. Even then there were a lot of extra F's in the GTFO.) (plus 4m 35s travel time...)

Mach: No idea. I've been too busy/lazy/chicken to try it. But 4m55s if you kill all but Krull spawn (and 3m 34s travel time.)


Yup.
Mach w/MWD: 8m 50s to blitz.
Tengu: 14m+ to blitz.
Although both times can be improved by 2-4 minutes by ignoring the cruisers in the A3 spawn.

I enjoy running a pure gank dominix (1026 dps with garde IIs and 350mm II rails) with Guardian support (750 tank). The only issue with that is the salvage (I have a 3rd account for that).

With your setup I'd suggest letting the Paladin sort loot and get another ship with heavy, good range damage.