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Killmail denial proposed change
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#1 - 2012-01-09 10:51:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/killmail-denial-service-possible-improvement/

read my post and comment please

Lads and gents,

this is gonna be creative one. As we are now facing pretty decent amount of faggots we faced problem of killmail denial “exploit”.
Please no rage about using word exploit. It is probably valid tactics, what sucks is that nobody gets kill mail.
What happened while we were killing the Tengu.
0. SLAPD pilot found he cannot win and his tengu will end in flames
1.he set self destruct
2. jumped out of ship in pod
3. we tried to board the ship – it is not possible because it is set to selfdesruct
4. we poped the ship to make economical damage, but we knew km is lost.

Is there a way to get the kmail?

If not I would propose to change one of the following when u have aggro. Similar change which canceled the sucky logoffski ****.
- disable selfdestruct option if aggro (not veryu happy about it though)
- deliver km of empty ship with last blow even if sd – if it had aggro
Or any other creative change that would disable this ****.

Same is with scooping ships into carriers if it is going down – u cannot scoop agressed ship.

PVP should be about kills and tactics and less about exploiting.


Hidden Snake
” The Busdriver”
Byron D
No Duck's Allowed
#2 - 2012-01-09 11:10:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Byron D
Ok, if someone ejects from a ship and you kill it, you still get a killmail. So either check your combat log better, or stop lying. On a side note, ppl who eject from T3s before dying, do it so they don't lose SP.

Also, learn to link properly.

Also, IGB is a crap corp and you are the worst wanna be FC ever. And you seem a terrible person too.
Garven Dreis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-01-09 11:13:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Garven Dreis
I suppose they could make it so it is owned like a POS module, as you get KM's for popping POS modules. I'd also imagine that my proposal would be pretty open to abuse aswell. Could set a timer aswell, so if your ship gets popped within x minutes after you have punched out, KM is recorded with your loss.

EDIT:
Byron D wrote:
Ok, if someone ejects from a ship and you kill it, you still get a killmail. So either check your combat log better, or stop lying. On a side note, ppl who eject from T3s before dying, do it so they don't lose SP.

[removed unrelated crap].


Have no idea 'bout this. I'm not that familiar with it yet.

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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#4 - 2012-01-09 11:24:17 UTC
Never heard of mails being lost for killing ships regardless of pilot location.

Could be a bug related to the SD/eject though, so report it as such.

Scuttling itself will (hopefully) never change in a manner that you suggest, if a person chooses to chomp down on his cyanide to prevent you from beating him to death, it is on you to stop him.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#5 - 2012-01-09 11:45:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
Byron D wrote:
Ok, if someone ejects from a ship and you kill it, you still get a killmail. So either check your combat log better, or stop lying. On a side note, ppl who eject from T3s before dying, do it so they don't lose SP.

Also, learn to link properly.

Also, IGB is a crap corp and you are the worst wanna be FC ever. And you seem a terrible person too.


07 SLAPD alt ....

... u mad? BTW it is not IGB but IBS ... have fun

well anyway ... if the km is not lost have to report it, because we poped it.

to people not being very good in eve ... warping to same instaundock with t3 (where we killed his 2 other ships in last 15 minutes) is kinda special. .... but i know this guy is special ;)
DevilDog11101775
Black Aces
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-01-09 13:02:02 UTC
To confirm:

1. If pilots ejects you still get a kill mail and it also get recorded as a loss the the pilot who ejected.
2. He knew you guys were gonna kill him so he ejected so no SP was lost.

I would petition and report it.

Fly safe
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#7 - 2012-01-09 18:03:39 UTC
He mad

nom nom
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-01-09 22:14:50 UTC
Not to add, just confirming shooting an empty ship will still generate a KM against the last person that sat in it.

And I'm not entirely convinced that self-destruct continues on an empty ship, I do believe that gets cancelled as well. You cannot, however, board a ship that's locked by another ship.

It sounds like the OP is basically ********.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#9 - 2012-01-09 23:35:58 UTC
Yeah, your noobs need to learn to unlock the Tengu and loot it, not keep it locked and faceroll themselves.

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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#10 - 2012-01-09 23:57:09 UTC
Like it or not, but KM denial is a tactic just as any other, granted a crappy one but it serves its purpose of pissing off the guys killing you. It's also a way to deny loot drops.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#11 - 2012-01-10 07:10:20 UTC
Feligast wrote:
Not to add, just confirming shooting an empty ship will still generate a KM against the last person that sat in it.

And I'm not entirely convinced that self-destruct continues on an empty ship, I do believe that gets cancelled as well. You cannot, however, board a ship that's locked by another ship.

It sounds like the OP is basically ********.



probably ... funny after years in eve this sort of tactics I met seriously used first time ... saw some sds on caps etc. ... well so far i think we will get the killmail ... which is something i am interested more. we tried to board it and it said we cannot ... due to sd running .... but lessonslearned
Lledrith
Ex Caminus
#12 - 2012-01-10 11:03:50 UTC
dont call it an Exploit. seems to me is working as intended.

the ships is protecting the pilot from committing suicide. yo can't cancel something you didnt initiate in the first place.

EvE is so great. tears seems to come in different style and fashion. Big smile
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#13 - 2012-01-10 12:27:23 UTC
Lledrith wrote:
dont call it an Exploit. seems to me is working as intended.

the ships is protecting the pilot from committing suicide. yo can't cancel something you didnt initiate in the first place.

EvE is so great. tears seems to come in different style and fashion. Big smile



I did not call it exploit but "exploit" .... i see it as a valid tactics (if no emotions on the scene), problem is lack of km available to post and wave our epeens :)
Cartheron Crust
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#14 - 2012-01-10 14:50:24 UTC
So what you are saying is killmails should be removed from the game. I approve this message and/or service.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#15 - 2012-01-10 17:38:35 UTC
Cartheron Crust wrote:
So what you are saying is killmails should be removed from the game. I approve this message and/or service.

Low level trollish ... Arghh failed to it ;)
Pulgy
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-01-10 19:41:09 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:

- disable selfdestruct option if aggro (not veryu happy about it though)
- deliver km of empty ship with last blow even if sd – if it had aggro
Or any other creative change that would disable this ****.

Same is with scooping ships into carriers if it is going down – u cannot scoop agressed ship.


Sounds like you want him to do the "honorable" thing and take a KM loss.
At this point I'd like to quote I.BS corp description "There is no honor in war .... so do not seek it here" Blink
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#17 - 2012-01-10 20:25:10 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Yeah, your noobs need to learn to unlock the Tengu and loot it, not keep it locked and faceroll themselves.

This. You get a T3 pilot to eject, you need to bring in your own to fly the ship home.

Free T3 > T3 killmail.

Only one pays for the next round of wardecs.

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Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-01-10 22:08:01 UTC
If a player is about to lose and self destructs, a KM should be created
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#19 - 2012-01-11 04:43:55 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
If a player is about to lose and self destructs, a KM should be created

Tbh if someone manages to SD their ship, fair game to them.

Having the same SD timer for an Aeon as a Rifter though? Now that is stupid.

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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#20 - 2012-01-11 04:57:45 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
Yeah, your noobs need to learn to unlock the Tengu and loot it, not keep it locked and faceroll themselves.

This. You get a T3 pilot to eject, you need to bring in your own to fly the ship home.

Free T3 > T3 killmail.

Only one pays for the next round of wardecs.


we tried ... however sd timer prevent us from boarding

to pulgy .... DFC about honor .... just want that killmail ;)
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