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A Spring Wind: A message to the Caldari Providence Directorate

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Alena Strazinka
Vapautusliike
#1 - 2012-01-09 05:56:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Alena Strazinka
Following the systematic collapse of Caldari Navy and Caldari Providence Directorate military control in the constellations of Ishaga, Isoma, and Okakuola, disturbing word has reached Vapautusliike about crimes committed by the Provists against Hyasyoda and Ishukone corporate citizens on numerous colony worlds.

Provist administrators of these planets, paranoid of possible infiltration by Federation intelligence, rounded up a large proportion of Ishukone and Hyasyoda corporate citizens and interned them in 'reassignment camps', essentially holding facilities with the alleged purpose of reallocating human resources to more important wartime priorities.

This breach of corporate sovereignty was only further amplified by the indignities conducted against these Caldari.

Provist commandants would neglect to supply sufficient food for cell blocks, and water supply would be limited at best. The result was mass starvation and dehydration at many camps reported in the Ishaga constellation, the one closest to the Placid frontline.

Following the collapse of military discipline and command and control accross the Ishaga constellation, mass evacuations of Caldari Navy and CPD personnel allowed the prisoners on the planets of Akidagi III and Immuri VI to revolt and break out of the camps. Returning to their families, word on these planets quickly spread of the horrifying conditions inflicted upon fellow Caldari by the Provists, and immediately these worlds deposed their Provist administrators, implementing classical Free Corporatism models of operation.

Now, new word has reached Vapautusliike of a massive network of reassignment camps on the surface of Aivonen VI, the capital colony of the Aivonen system. If these reports are true, it is likely that hundreds of thousands of Ishukone and Hyasyoda corporate citizens have been detained against all traditions of the Caldari people. All on the mere suspicions of collaborating with the Federation.

It seems now that Tibus Heth has declared open war against the Liberals of the State; he intends to weed out all those who might oppose his reign.

The State exists no more. It has become nothing more than a fiefdom, a personal plaything of a single man, not the glorious symphony of competition that forged the State in the midst of adversity and trial.

Stand for Free Corporatism. Demand Corporate Sovereignty. Now and forever.

Down with Tibus Heth.

We are coming. The dark stain of the Provist regime shall be removed from the State.

Join the movement. Contact Alena Strazinka for more details.
Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-01-09 06:59:02 UTC
Show proof or this is just more fail gallente propogander.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"

Altarr Orkot
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#3 - 2012-01-09 07:11:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Altarr Orkot
Aquila Shadow wrote:
Show proof or this is just more fail gallente propogander.


Yeah, everyone knows that Tibus Heth isn't some kind of fascist dictator. Being the upstanding beacon of Caldari virtue and merit that he is, he would never try to usurp the power of the CEP or attempt to seize control of the other megacorporation's personnel and assets.
Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-01-09 07:22:34 UTC
Altarr Orkot wrote:
Aquila Shadow wrote:
Show proof or this is just more fail gallente propogander.


Yeah, everyone knows that Tibus Heth isn't some kind of fascist dictator. Being the upstanding beacon of Caldari virtue and merit that he is, he would never try to usurp the power of the CEP or attempt to seize control of the other megacorporation's personnel and assets.


Sorry did i say anything about supporting Heth? No. I was refering to the abuse of caldari citizens. i would like proof before we start spilling blood.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"

Altarr Orkot
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#5 - 2012-01-09 08:27:16 UTC
Aquila Shadow wrote:
Sorry did i say anything about supporting Heth? No. I was refering to the abuse of caldari citizens. i would like proof before we start spilling blood.


I never said you supported Heth. But I am concerned that you had to state that you didn't. It's almost as if you don't actually support the great KK CEO.

With that said, the OP specifically mentions that the CPD has been imprisoning people and further mentions that Heth had 'declared war'. Now the CPD is under the control of Heth, and I was merely expressing my incredulity that Tibus Heth would order such dastardly actions.
Alena Strazinka
Vapautusliike
#6 - 2012-01-09 08:51:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Alena Strazinka
Aquila Shadow wrote:
Show proof or this is just more fail gallente propogander.


Do you know precisely how many millions of our people have been killed over the course of this war, Mr. Shadow? How many sons and daughters of the State that have bled for the cause of Mr. Heth's ego?

Long it has been known that the Provists have singled out Hyasyoda corporation before. That incident was indeed why I created this organization to stand up against Heth's madness.

The Provists demand our silent obedience. We must ask them, why. Why should the power that ALL Caldari have fought to preserve and protect for centuries be given to a single political faction?

Who are the true Patriots? The ones who shake under the shadow of a single man and his cronies? Or those that stand up for the principles of the old Caldari traditions.

These are the questions we must ask, Mr. Shadow. We shall attempt to provide additional information about the Ishaga camps as it becomes available.

If you wish to know more about us, I recommend that you view our original transmission, here.
Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-01-09 09:26:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Shadow
Alena, i have fought and died in this war. I also believe that the state should be put back under the authority of the CEP. So before you go questioning my intergity know this. You are not the first person to say that crimes have been comited by the state over the course of this war, many people have said this but many have just been lies cooked up by the federation. So like i said before, proof please.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#8 - 2012-01-09 12:56:30 UTC
Laughable.
The next time you invent a story to make your movement more important talk about hundreds of thousand of people that are still detained. That way there's at least some reason why you're the only unique snowflake that knows of all this.

Orkut,
You're becoming bitter with the years. I suggest a vacation.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-01-09 19:08:26 UTC
I see my Caldari friends also have to deal with the occasional misguided liberalism.

Despite this story sounding like complete fabrication, if Ishuukone has done nothing wrong, then they should have nothing to worry about, yes?







Sabik now, Sabik forever

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-01-09 20:50:40 UTC
Everyone who will go against Tibus Heth, will go against the State. And enemies of the State must be destroyed without second thought.
If anyone is not happy with economical rise, overall improvement of living conditions and afraid of corporations act together as one mighty unit, they still have their FREEDOM to leave now and live as outcasts, never to return.
If those 'unhappy' citizens will stay to disturb collaboration of corporations inside the State, they should be named traitors and saboteurs, and punished capitally.

The State is strong while You stand together, while you believe that what you do is right, while you work hard not for yourself, but for your friends, for your neighbors, for your corporation, for your State.

Could you name any other State that can hold defenses of it's sovereign planet deep inside enemy territory?
Could you name any other State where you can take any position, if you have corresponding talents?

And you know, who did this for the State. Tibus Heth did.

Long live Tibus Heth!
Death to traitors!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#11 - 2012-01-09 21:12:52 UTC
I like Ishukone. They have stations here in the Republic and generally do good business.

That is all.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-01-10 07:57:28 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
I like Ishukone. They have stations here in the Republic and generally do good business.

That is all.


You should really consider working for Ishukone then as an industrial pilot, corporation agents are always need capsuleers help for mining and delivering products. Help them do good business and pay for your crimes against the State with your hard work.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jev North
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-01-10 08:49:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Everyone who will go against Tibus Heth, will go against the State. And enemies of the State must be destroyed without second thought.

Often without much of a first thought, as well.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#14 - 2012-01-10 09:38:57 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
I like Ishukone. They have stations here in the Republic and generally do good business.

That is all.

Ishukone, was working with them some time ago and it was a plesure.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#15 - 2012-01-10 13:12:28 UTC
You'll thank us later, when the Federation deposes your Dear Dictator from power, as we have done with countless other tyrants in nullsec and beyond.

And before you start using Gallentean political concepts and measures to compare how the Federation is apparently less free than Caldari, I'd take a look at how you lot treat the most powerful individuals in New Eden within your borders.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2012-01-10 13:44:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
You'll thank us later, when the Federation deposes your Dear Dictator from power, as we have done with countless other tyrants in nullsec and beyond.

And before you start using Gallentean political concepts and measures to compare how the Federation is apparently less free than Caldari, I'd take a look at how you lot treat the most powerful individuals in New Eden within your borders.


Seriphyn, I know you love your darling Federation, but I think that speaking of deposed nullsec overlords, without citation, is a stretch even for you. If you do have evidence of such, please contact me with it personally to avoid further derailing this 'discussion'.

As one who has actually spent time outside of the four empires, I can say that the Federation, indeed any non-capsuleer Empire entity, has no say in what goes on. In fact many of the major-powers are little more than a sad-punchline to most nullsec entities, evidence that increased presence of pro-State capsuleers in Providence is nothing but a good thing.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-01-10 15:21:04 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
You'll thank us later, when the Federation deposes your Dear Dictator from power, as we have done with countless other tyrants in nullsec and beyond.

And before you start using Gallentean political concepts and measures to compare how the Federation is apparently less free than Caldari, I'd take a look at how you lot treat the most powerful individuals in New Eden within your borders.


That won't happen anytime soon.

Much sooner this thing, that is now known as 'Federation', will be redistributed among corporations and will start to bring real help to its citizens, not only rich and dirty gallentean folks, bureaucrats and politicians, like it's doing now.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#18 - 2012-01-10 16:28:09 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

You should really consider working for Ishukone then as an industrial pilot, corporation agents are always need capsuleers help for mining and delivering products. Help them do good business and pay for your crimes against the State with your hard work.

The only crimes against the State I've commited is supporting my Republic, which makes little sense. I am hoping Ishukone, which has a strong prescence in the Republic, will help foster better relations between the two nations.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-01-10 16:42:35 UTC
Rek Jaiga wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

You should really consider working for Ishukone then as an industrial pilot, corporation agents are always need capsuleers help for mining and delivering products. Help them do good business and pay for your crimes against the State with your hard work.

The only crimes against the State I've commited is supporting my Republic, which makes little sense. I am hoping Ishukone, which has a strong prescence in the Republic, will help foster better relations between the two nations.

But the Republic now is at war with the State. Unfortunately, Ishukone is just a megacorporation and cannot solve this 'little problem'.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#20 - 2012-01-10 18:09:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Caellach Marellus
Diana Kim wrote:
That won't happen anytime soon.

Much sooner this thing, that is now known as 'Federation', will be redistributed among corporations


Because that worked so well last time, also it's going to be hard if the State's loyallists keep fleeing to Amarr Space.

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and will start to bring real help to its citizens, not only rich and dirty gallentean folks, bureaucrats and politicians, like it's doing now.


Any source for such allegations, or is this more rubbish you learned growing up in the State?

I'm not sure if you're serious at times Captain Kim, or just bad parody for obsessivly blind faction loyallists.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

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