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Blaster Proteus: Webs or Painter?
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Xenuria
#1 - 2012-01-08 22:36:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
I am having trouble hitting even large ships up close even with my Fed Navy Webs on them. When I do hit I do 921 DPS with a 2.5-3k Volly.

Assuming all skills are at level 5 which will increase the hit chance of medium blasters more?

A target painter?

or

Fed Navy Webs?


I was thinking of swapping out my webs for a painter but I want to get some expert opinions first.

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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-01-08 22:51:38 UTC
You'll never need the TP, infact you should be doing full damage on the ship, try instead of orbiting the ship while firing the blasters, stay on approach and try to lower your transversal
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Xenuria
#3 - 2012-01-08 22:54:39 UTC
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
You'll never need the TP, infact you should be doing full damage on the ship, try instead of orbiting the ship while firing the blasters, stay on approach and try to lower your transversal


but TP would make the target "bigger" and essentially easy to hit with drones and guns...

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-01-08 23:31:45 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
You'll never need the TP, infact you should be doing full damage on the ship, try instead of orbiting the ship while firing the blasters, stay on approach and try to lower your transversal


but TP would make the target "bigger" and essentially easy to hit with drones and guns...


Im gonna say web and do some manual control instead of Orbit. Since orbit will just make you miss.

It might make it bigger but if it has trans on you it wont matter. But slowing it down will help more esp with blasters.

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Xenuria
#5 - 2012-01-08 23:45:59 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
You'll never need the TP, infact you should be doing full damage on the ship, try instead of orbiting the ship while firing the blasters, stay on approach and try to lower your transversal


but TP would make the target "bigger" and essentially easy to hit with drones and guns...


Im gonna say web and do some manual control instead of Orbit. Since orbit will just make you miss.

It might make it bigger but if it has trans on you it wont matter. But slowing it down will help more esp with blasters.

I would fit another web but I would need an officer cap recharger to make that work. Ir I would need a cap battery and I would have to use batteries. hmm..

Would 2 fed navy webs make it impossible to miss when in optimal range?

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Dr Roth
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-01-08 23:53:05 UTC
Depends on your speed and direction when you fire.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#7 - 2012-01-09 00:07:41 UTC
What the other said - alternativlely, you could:

- Fit a tracking computer or enhancer
- Use a dissonic encoding platform instead of a hybrid propiulsion armature
- Post your fit, so we can identify possible ptoblems.
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Xenuria
#8 - 2012-01-09 00:15:03 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
What the other said - alternativlely, you could:

- Fit a tracking computer or enhancer
- Use a dissonic encoding platform instead of a hybrid propiulsion armature
- Post your fit, so we can identify possible ptoblems.



Sadly the disonic encoding platform hardly has any effect on tracking speed.

I have a 0.2 tracking speed which I am sure you know is terrible for up close medium blasters.

Even if I had tracking enhancers and all that jazz I would still never reach 1.0 tracking speed.

http://i.imgur.com/8AotZ.jpg <--- Fitting

As you can see it has little room for changes. It's cap stable with the mwd on

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Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-01-09 00:15:38 UTC
Neither, it's your speed that will be the issue not the targets.

As already stated you will need a tracking enhancer or scripted tracking comp, Dissonic encoding tracking bonus is not worth the loss of the drones.

I have two tracking enhancers on my Proteus and have no problems hitting ships at about the 3-5km orbit range and that is with a microwarpdrive on.

If you do not want to sacrifice lows then the T2 Tracking Rig gives a better tracking bonus than a tracking enhancer but is not quite as good as a Tracking comp (scripted).
Xenuria
#10 - 2012-01-09 00:17:53 UTC
Alticus C Bear wrote:
Neither, it's your speed that will be the issue not the targets.

As already stated you will need a tracking enhancer or scripted tracking comp, Dissonic encoding tracking bonus is not worth the loss of the drones.

I have two tracking enhancers on my Proteus and have no problems hitting ships at about the 3-5km orbit range and that is with a microwarpdrive on.

If you do not want to sacrifice lows then the T2 Tracking Rig gives a better tracking bonus than a tracking enhancer but is not quite as good as a Tracking comp (scripted).



As you can see from the fit the rigs are non-negotiable... If I replace the Web with a tech 2 tracking computer with a script for tracking speed would that be better than using the webs?

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Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-01-09 00:19:21 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Large Collidable Object wrote:
What the other said - alternativlely, you could:

- Fit a tracking computer or enhancer
- Use a dissonic encoding platform instead of a hybrid propiulsion armature
- Post your fit, so we can identify possible ptoblems.



Sadly the disonic encoding platform hardly has any effect on tracking speed.

I have a 0.2 tracking speed which I am sure you know is terrible for up close medium blasters.

Even if I had tracking enhancers and all that jazz I would still never reach 1.0 tracking speed.

http://i.imgur.com/8AotZ.jpg <--- Fitting

As you can see it has little room for changes. It's cap stable with the mwd on


Seems a little over tanked, and I would suggest does not need to be cap stable for most missions, Swap some of the mids for tracking comps. I would also use six guns.
Xenuria
#12 - 2012-01-09 00:21:23 UTC
Alticus C Bear wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Large Collidable Object wrote:
What the other said - alternativlely, you could:

- Fit a tracking computer or enhancer
- Use a dissonic encoding platform instead of a hybrid propiulsion armature
- Post your fit, so we can identify possible ptoblems.



Sadly the disonic encoding platform hardly has any effect on tracking speed.

I have a 0.2 tracking speed which I am sure you know is terrible for up close medium blasters.

Even if I had tracking enhancers and all that jazz I would still never reach 1.0 tracking speed.

http://i.imgur.com/8AotZ.jpg <--- Fitting

As you can see it has little room for changes. It's cap stable with the mwd on


Seems a little over tanked, and I would suggest does not need to be cap stable for most missions, Swap some of the mids for tracking comps. I would also use six guns.



Can't use 6 guns without changing a subsystem, if I change the subsystem I wont be able to use MWD.
I am not over tanked trust me... Level 5s do alot of dps even when tanked properly.

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Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-01-09 00:29:51 UTC
Level 5, oh.

Well depends how often you use the web but yes the tracking comp should improve things, you have two choices with it script for range and orbit a little further out or script for tracking for base better tracking.
Xenuria
#14 - 2012-01-09 00:55:18 UTC
Alticus C Bear wrote:
Level 5, oh.

Well depends how often you use the web but yes the tracking comp should improve things, you have two choices with it script for range and orbit a little further out or script for tracking for base better tracking.



How much better will it make my tracking?

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Large Collidable Object
morons.
#15 - 2012-01-09 01:33:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Xenuria wrote:



Can't use 6 guns without changing a subsystem, if I change the subsystem I wont be able to use MWD.
I am not over tanked trust me... Level 5s do alot of dps even when tanked properly.



Well - I have a quite different fitting philosophy - especially regarding cap-stable fits. Last time I did PVE, I did so in a Machariel that - according to EFT - is capstable vor 77 seconds with a heavy cap booster II running. hardly ever had to turn the cap-booster on though - but then again, I've only ran a handfull of L5's and that was 3 years ago...

A few thoughts:

- I assume, ingame you don't use void if you already experience tracking problems and that's just the EFT screenshot.
- I have no idea of whom you're running L5s against, but then, omni tanking seems a bit weird in pve. I have very limited exerience with L5s and don't remember if there are any that deal omni-damage, but you should be able to run with just two mission-specific hardeners and not miss out any tank. Instead, you could fit a TE.
- Ditching the idea of being cap stable and using a cap booster, you could go for a power core multiplier and fit an additional gun, increasing your DPS .
- Using an MWD on a T3 is a bad idea imho as their strenth is their sig-tank (and wake limiters are a joke). If you get rid of the MWD, I guess half the EFT defence value should easily suffice.
Yeah - I know you need to get from target to target quickly, but then, you could fit an 100mn AB on it for that purpose, and pulse it, thus maintaining a small sig radius and sig-tanking. Just align, activate, fly straight to the next target, deactivate AB in time, activate web, orbit at optimal and shoot.
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Xenuria
#16 - 2012-01-09 01:37:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Xenuria wrote:



Can't use 6 guns without changing a subsystem, if I change the subsystem I wont be able to use MWD.
I am not over tanked trust me... Level 5s do alot of dps even when tanked properly.



Well - I have a quite different fitting philosophy - especially regarding cap-stable fits. Last time I did PVE, I did so in a Machariel that - according to EFT - is capstable vor 77 seconds with a heavy cap booster II running. hardly ever had to turn the cap-booster on though - but then again, I've only ran a handfull of L5's and that was 3 years ago...

A few thoughts:

- I assume, ingame you don't use void if you already experience tracking problems and that's just the EFT screenshot.
- I have no idea of whom you're running L5s against, but then, omni tanking seems a bit weird in pve. I have very limited exerience with L5s and don't remember if there are any that deal omni-damage, but you should be able to run with just two mission-specific hardeners and not miss out any tank. Instead, you could fit a TE.
- Ditching the idea of being cap stable and using a cap booster, you could go for a power core multiplier and fit an additional gun, increasing your DPS .
- Using an MWD on a T3 is a bad idea imho as their strenth is their sig-tank (and wake limiters are a joke). If you get rid of the MWD, I guess half the EFT defence value should easily suffice.
Yeah - I know you need to get from target to target quickly, but then, you could fit an 100mn AB on it for that purpose, and pulse it, thus maintaining a small sig radius and sig-tanking. Just align, activate, fly straight to the next target, deactivate AB in time, activate web, orbit at optimal and shoot.


Facepalm...
Thats for not listening to anything I said..


Void has a tracking Bonus, ergo using void is a good idea. Plus it does the best damage.
I never claimed to omni tank level 5s.. my ship can NOT omni tank at all unless I swap out a mag stab.
The core multiplier subsystem may allow an extra gun but it negates the ability to use a MWD
MWD on T3s are not a bad idea they are required if you want to get anywere fast. an afterburner would reduce my effective DPS by a massive degree.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-01-09 01:42:15 UTC
Unless youre fitting missiles on your proteus, you want a web....
Tracking is not an issue on a proteus at all so i have no idea how youre flying it.
Just hit approach, web and shoot. (pulse MWD if further than 10km).

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Xenuria
#18 - 2012-01-09 01:43:37 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Unless youre fitting missiles on your proteus, you want a web....
Tracking is not an issue on a proteus at all so i have no idea how youre flying it.
Just hit approach, web and shoot. (pulse MWD if further than 10km).


Even the large ships Battleship size when webbed sometimes my blasts go right around them. Even if we are both holding very still.

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Large Collidable Object
morons.
#19 - 2012-01-09 02:00:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Xenuria wrote:


Facepalm...


Indeed.

Quote:

Void has a tracking Bonus, ergo using void is a good idea. Plus it does the best damage.


Void has a 0.75 x tracking speed multiplier - it decreases your tracking speed by 25%.

Quote:

I never claimed to omni tank level 5s.. my ship can NOT omni tank at all unless I swap out a mag stab.


Then why do you fit three hardeners wheras most NPCs are focused on two damage types?

Quote:

The core multiplier subsystem may allow an extra gun but it negates the ability to use a MWD
MWD on T3s are not a bad idea they are required if you want to get anywere fast. an afterburner would reduce my effective DPS by a massive degree.


100mn AB - fittable thanks to just the power core multiplier and an ACRII...
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Xenuria
#20 - 2012-01-09 02:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Xenuria wrote:


Facepalm...


Indeed.

Quote:

Void has a tracking Bonus, ergo using void is a good idea. Plus it does the best damage.


Void has a 0.75 x tracking speed multiplier - it decreases your tracking speed by 25%.

Quote:

I never claimed to omni tank level 5s.. my ship can NOT omni tank at all unless I swap out a mag stab.


Then why do you fit three hardeners wheras most NPCs are focused on two damage types?

Quote:

The core multiplier subsystem may allow an extra gun but it negates the ability to use a MWD
MWD on T3s are not a bad idea they are required if you want to get anywere fast. an afterburner would reduce my effective DPS by a massive degree.


100mn AB - fittable thanks to just the power core multiplier and am ACRII...



I don't think you understand. I have tried this. I would need a Cap Booster with Navy 400s
I would need powergrid Implant
I would need to use power grid rig
I would need to buy the X type 100m afterburner
I still would not have good tracking speed

It's just to much Isk to invest without a benefit.

also void adds to tracking speed. You said so yourself.

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