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[Ushra'Khan] Monalaz Investigation

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Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2012-01-13 03:18:15 UTC
I have a question for anyone from U'K that is able to speak with some authority on this issue.

Would U'K attack DED operations in the State, Republic, and Federation, if they were working with each empires' respective forces on Anti-Nation activities?

Also on a slightly different note, I'm seeing people mention that U'K didn't detect any Nation presence prior to engaging the Justicar and DED forces. That doesn't surprise me, as I spend a good portion of my days in pod analyzing probe and sensor data in areas extremely close to Monalaz, and I usually do not detect Nation activities either. However, as every Nation incursion in most areas of the cluster proves, there commonly isn't a Nation presence before or after an incursion. The notion that the Justicar/DED operations aren't anti-Nation simply because there was no noticeable Nation activity at the time is astonishingly short sighted. If that is the sort of logic U'K runs on in other operations then I'd like to sell each and every U'K member one of my own Prevention of Slavery datapads. I can vouch for their effectiveness as I have many of these pads laying around my house and I have no slaves at all, clearly they are effective.
Ollie Rundle
#82 - 2012-01-13 06:57:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ollie Rundle
Ugleb wrote:
It is interesting that none of our many critics before you seemed aware of this either though, I'd suggest that 'easily accessible' might not equate to 'widely known'.


It seems I owe you an apology, Pilot Ugleb. I admit that I presumed that you'd done some ... investigating before posting under a title containing the term 'investigation'. Clearly my presumption was in error and I apologise for this oversight.

That said ...

I usually begin my own investigations looking for something I can run through a simple search algorithm which I then apply to any number of private and public information archives. In this particular case I would have focused quickly on the term 'Ishaeka' - a very specific term, unique to a single language and highly likely to generate a limited number of quite relevant results.

And so I did just that, running this extremely simple query through this publically accessible and very well known archive.

The results took just over 0.2 of a second to return. The first two hits - being the most relevant - are instructional.

Given these facts, I'd suggest that - in this case at least - if you ask the right question, easily accessible and widely known are both applicable to the ISHAEKA files.

Now, if I can borrow a fraction more of your time can I bother you as the OP with some questions I'm having trouble getting to the bottom of myself?

U'K is reportedly targeting slavers and their supporters as motive for these attacks on a DED/CONCORD taskforce which is unequivocally multinational and focused on combating the threat of the Nation faction.

To date, I've still seen little except circumstantial observations and anecdote to support the U'K assertions that Taskforce ISHAEKA is being controlled/led by Amarr overseers or that the multinational ISHAEKA personnel and their efforts have been supporting - either tacitly or directly - the practise of slavery within the Amarr empire. There have been implications throughout this thread that U'K are anti-Nation, while other contributors have asserted the opposite.

Where does U'K stand with respect to Sansha's Nation? And if it is against Nation, how does U'K continue to justify its attacks on a definitive anti-Nation taskforce comprising citizens of the Republic, the Federation, the State, the Empire and the Servant Sisters of Eve to name but a few?
zoolkhan
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#83 - 2012-01-13 12:44:57 UTC
Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
I have a question for anyone from U'K that is able to speak with some authority on this issue.

Would U'K attack DED operations in the State, Republic, and Federation, if they were working with each empires' respective forces on Anti-Nation activities?.


There are universes between

Working WITH ....

and

Working under ...matari/Gaylente/Amarr/Hellokitty.. command...


The first is cooperation, the last is corruption.



Aedeal
Bangarang Inc
#84 - 2012-01-13 16:14:38 UTC
Sorry to interrupt your empire-loving, but ever wonder why capsuleer were ordered away? AJ has no empire ties, no political agenda at all, why was it told to keep away, and who are they to tell us that anyway?
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#85 - 2012-01-13 17:10:26 UTC
Aedeal wrote:
Sorry to interrupt your empire-loving, but ever wonder why capsuleer were ordered away? AJ has no empire ties, no political agenda at all, why was it told to keep away, and who are they to tell us that anyway?


Is it really to much trouble to go back and read? Its explained in great detail there.

**Vherokior **

Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#86 - 2012-01-14 15:28:46 UTC
Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
I have a question for anyone from U'K that is able to speak with some authority on this issue.

Would U'K attack DED operations in the State, Republic, and Federation, if they were working with each empires' respective forces on Anti-Nation activities?


I will reiterate our position on the facility we encountered in the Access system of Monalaz. This facility was under the command of an Amarian special forces commander, not CONCORD. This is to my knowledge an unprecedented situation and there are no comparable facilities within the borders of the other empires.

Nor do I think that there should be. CONCORD neutrality is a fundamental principle of the organisation; DED forces should not be placed under the command of any sovereign nation. If DED vessels are to be deployed, it should be under their own commanders. It is irrelevant where the facility is, even if the DED is to be used in its defence.

Ollie Rundle wrote:
Where does U'K stand with respect to Sansha's Nation? And if it is against Nation, how does U'K continue to justify its attacks on a definitive anti-Nation taskforce comprising citizens of the Republic, the Federation, the State, the Empire and the Servant Sisters of Eve to name but a few?


There has been a single offensive action made against ISHAEKA by us to date, and we have no plans to make a second based on our current information. Given the efficiency with which the Justicar's purged their archive last time I see little point in making a second attempt at acquiring information that way.

Where do we stand on Nation? Simple. Kuvakei and his willing followers deserve little mercy, we have spent many years hunting Nation warships across a great many more light years. But they are not the only enemy, the Amarr Empire has for many centuries been the bane of freedom and an even greater blight upon New Eden. By comparison, the Sansha are still playing catch up.

Both are regimes based on slavery, and we have no intention of ignoring either.

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Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2012-01-15 04:11:13 UTC
Ugleb wrote:


I will reiterate our position on the facility we encountered in the Access system of Monalaz. This facility was under the command of an Amarian special forces commander, not CONCORD. This is to my knowledge an unprecedented situation and there are no comparable facilities within the borders of the other empires.

Nor do I think that there should be. CONCORD neutrality is a fundamental principle of the organisation; DED forces should not be placed under the command of any sovereign nation. If DED vessels are to be deployed, it should be under their own commanders. It is irrelevant where the facility is, even if the DED is to be used in its defence.



I appreciate the answer but have to point out that it doesn't actually address the question I asked. I did not ask what U'K thinks should be the scope of CONCORD and empire operational cooperation. You've made it abundantly clear that you wish CONCORD to operate with complete impartiality and you don't have to repeat that statement. I'll go so far as to say I agree with that idea. I would not want to see CONCORD giving any empire special treatment, not even the one I was born in.

What I am asking is if U'K would have done the same if the operational area were in another nation's borders?

Will U'K be making a habit of attacking joint empire/DED detachments as a means of voicing their concerns toward CONCORD neutrality?
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#88 - 2012-01-15 14:01:04 UTC
Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
Will U'K be making a habit of attacking joint empire/DED detachments as a means of voicing their concerns toward CONCORD neutrality?


It is unlikely that we would attack such a facility elsewhere, and we certainly have no plans to be doing so. A single incident does not a pattern make. But we may well choose to attack Amarrian forces even if they were flying alongside DED vessels if we think the situation could present us with a strategic advantage, or even if that act might happen to somehow benefit a third party in the process.

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