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[Ushra'Khan] Monalaz Investigation
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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#61 - 2012-01-09 09:28:22 UTC
Ragnar STS wrote:
... They are so secretive that they do not share information with the other governments. ...


I didn't know you have access to such informations, like knowing what intel the goverments share.

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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#62 - 2012-01-09 17:50:00 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:
Despite the fact that U'K members specifically mention AJ and their public comms, and that the first time the specific system was ever brought to light was on AJ's mailing list...


Monalaz is a constellation, not a system. And as I said at the beginning of this discussion, Operation ISHAEKA appears to be well practised in relocating their base of operations frequently and quickly. During our investigation we had to track them down several times across different systems across the constellation before finally deciding to mount our raid.

I will give them some credit, their apparently nomadic traits border on Minmatar levels...


Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
Have you even attempted to ask the Republic, Federation, or State if they have received the information you are suggesting is being held back by a Pro-Empire Concord?


Yes, at the beginning of this discussion in fact by open appeal.


Borascus wrote:
Also, I think the usage of an Intaki word whilst working with the Amarr indicates that the DED Forces have had some influence from the whole assembly, bearing in mind the Intaki language would primarily be spoken in the Gallente Federation, rational though it may be that the word applies from an Intaki that joined Caldari State or perhaps Mordu's Legion.


ISHAEKA commander Vieve Creston is a Gallentean I believe, but I don't think that provides much in the way of a definitive answer. She is a DED officer, but it seems doubtful that she operates with 'complete' autonomy from her superiors, assuming that she is still in command. There have been no public communications from ISHAEKA in about a year to my knowledge.

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Ollie Rundle
#63 - 2012-01-09 21:22:43 UTC
While it's been an interesting exercise in observational intel gathering, perhaps its time to attempt to end pilot Ugleb's spooky conspiracy theorycraft.

I direct you to a file that's been easilly accessible to the capsuleer public for well over eighteen months now.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1005/ISHAEKA-0001.pdf

On page 2 of ISHAEKA-0001 you'll find the operational organisation of Taskforce ISHAEKA. You should note the multi-lateral involvement of the Gallente Federal Intelligence Office, Amarr and Caldari intelligence services and Republic security services. You will see that surveillance, comms and tactical response squads during operations in Stain were made up of DED crews and ships operating alongside members of the Justicar squadron, Tash-Murkon contingent. You will also note that the Servant Sisters of Eve were involved in a medical and search/rescue capacity.

One might hope that this provides you and the remainder of your colleagues within U'K with the 'proof' that the taskforce is multinational and that the Matari government - along with the governments of other CONCORD signatories - holds much if not all of the intelligence and information it has discovered both in Stain and Monalaz.

Your notion of Amarr favourtism or control, in reference to this taskforce and its activities at least, seems rather absurd.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#64 - 2012-01-09 21:26:28 UTC
Ollie Rundle wrote:
While it's been an interesting exercise in observational intel gathering, perhaps its time to attempt to end pilot Ugleb's spooky conspiracy theorycraft.

I direct you to a file that's been easilly accessible to the capsuleer public for well over eighteen months now.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1005/ISHAEKA-0001.pdf

On page 2 of ISHAEKA-0001 you'll find the operational organisation of Taskforce ISHAEKA. You should note the multi-lateral involvement of the Gallente Federal Intelligence Office, Amarr and Caldari intelligence services and Republic security services. You will see that surveillance, comms and tactical response squads during operations in Stain were made up of DED crews and ships operating alongside members of the Justicar squadron, Tash-Murkon contingent. You will also note that the Servant Sisters of Eve were involved in a medical and search/rescue capacity.

One might hope that this provides you and the remainder of your colleagues within U'K with the 'proof' that the taskforce is multinational and that the Matari government - along with the governments of other CONCORD signatories - holds much if not all of the intelligence and information it has discovered both in Stain and Monalaz.

Your notion of Amarr favourtism or control, in reference to this taskforce and its activities at least, seems rather absurd.


You don't mean to suggest that U'K could possibly have jumped to conclusions on this one? Perhaps the spirits of their ancestors weren't speaking as clearly as usual.

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Balthazar Baraz
17th Imperial Lancers
#65 - 2012-01-09 21:30:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Balthazar Baraz
Well.. well.. well.. What do you have to say then U'K?

No doubt you have another delusional conspiracy theory you are about to share with us.

You are nothing but Criminals and Terrorists driven by racial hatred.
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2012-01-09 21:40:23 UTC
Theories, accusations, and assumptions aside there are some pretty clear facts that need to stay in focus.

The destruction of DED and Justicar assets in Monalaz can only be detrimental to the operations, and since the operations in the Monalaz constellation are aimed against Sansha's Nation, then any harm to these operations effectively assists the Nation.

It's really that simple.

Of course I don't like the notion that someone is keeping information from me either, be it family, friends, or Concord. However I am not arrogant enough to think that I, as a capsuleer, am somehow entitled to information and consideration normally reserved for governments spanning entire regions and billions of citizens.
Balthazar Baraz
17th Imperial Lancers
#67 - 2012-01-10 07:26:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Balthazar Baraz
And all of sudden The Ushra'Khan are no where to be seen. What a surprise!
Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#68 - 2012-01-10 08:01:28 UTC
Balthazar Baraz wrote:
And all of sudden The Ushra'Khan are no where to be seen. What a surprise!



We do that a lot. It's called cloaking.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#69 - 2012-01-10 22:17:39 UTC
It isn't U'K's duty to fight the Nation, so stop crying about it, I bet all you all really want to is protect the Amarr slavers who the DED protect. I think U'K should focus on killing every last one of these DED commanders, I think that would benefit the cluster the best. Best of luck Ugleb.
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#70 - 2012-01-10 23:12:28 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
It isn't U'K's duty to fight the Nation, so stop crying about it, I bet all you all really want to is protect the Amarr slavers who the DED protect. I think U'K should focus on killing every last one of these DED commanders, I think that would benefit the cluster the best. Best of luck Ugleb.


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Rogue Steel
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#71 - 2012-01-11 03:00:38 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:


From the mailrooms of the Unofficial Master Kuvakei Fanclub?


Once your outfit has killed as many Sansha as U'K has, then you can back up your talk. At this rate I'd say give it about 100 standard years.

You better get to work, times a wastin.
Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-01-11 03:32:09 UTC
Rogue Steel wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:


From the mailrooms of the Unofficial Master Kuvakei Fanclub?


Once your outfit has killed as many Sansha as U'K has, then you can back up your talk. At this rate I'd say give it about 100 standard years.

You better get to work, times a wastin.


UK kills them for the bounty on there head. We do it to stop inocent people dieing.

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Marus Sulla
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
#73 - 2012-01-11 09:27:03 UTC
Aquila Shadow wrote:


UK kills them for the bounty on there head. We do it to stop inocent people dieing.


The oldest active alliance in New Eden was founded by those opposed to slavery wherever it is found. Guess who they are ?

I'd quite happily send you details of my finances if you think we are in it for ISK.

Back in the real universe discussions continue on follow up operations.

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Marus

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-01-11 09:33:55 UTC
Attacking DED vessels makes them mere criminals.
Well, actually, not making, but displaying for those, who didn't know it before Big smile

Whether they follow Kuvakei or not, they are criminals and threat to civilized states and peoples of the cluster.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#75 - 2012-01-11 11:03:38 UTC
Marus Sulla wrote:
Aquila Shadow wrote:


UK kills them for the bounty on there head. We do it to stop inocent people dieing.


The oldest active alliance in New Eden was founded by those opposed to slavery wherever it is found. Guess who they are ?

I'd quite happily send you details of my finances if you think we are in it for ISK.

Back in the real universe discussions continue on follow up operations.

Regards,

Marus


So basically what your saying is that you are planning on killing more DED officers? also you cant honestly say that you have not destroyed nations ships just for the money, i mean who are you freeing by by blowing up pirate ships in belts? UK has at no point as an alliance engaged in anti nation activities other then to make a profit.

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Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#76 - 2012-01-11 12:48:27 UTC
Aquila Shadow wrote:
UK has at no point as an alliance engaged in anti nation activities other then to make a profit.


Actually one of the goals is to secure Sansha infested space in order to colonize free worlds for the relocation of displaced liberated slaves. Which so far has cost far more isk than can be made from Concord bounties.

Another goal is to eradicate slavery in nullsec, including slavery by the Nation. A goal which hasn't changed much in almost a decade, since before U'K was formally founded as an alliance.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#77 - 2012-01-11 13:35:51 UTC
Ollie Rundle wrote:
While it's been an interesting exercise in observational intel gathering, perhaps its time to attempt to end pilot Ugleb's spooky conspiracy theorycraft.

I direct you to a file that's been easilly accessible to the capsuleer public for well over eighteen months now.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1005/ISHAEKA-0001.pdf

On page 2 of ISHAEKA-0001 you'll find the operational organisation of Taskforce ISHAEKA. You should note the multi-lateral involvement of the Gallente Federal Intelligence Office, Amarr and Caldari intelligence services and Republic security services. You will see that surveillance, comms and tactical response squads during operations in Stain were made up of DED crews and ships operating alongside members of the Justicar squadron, Tash-Murkon contingent. You will also note that the Servant Sisters of Eve were involved in a medical and search/rescue capacity.

One might hope that this provides you and the remainder of your colleagues within U'K with the 'proof' that the taskforce is multinational and that the Matari government - along with the governments of other CONCORD signatories - holds much if not all of the intelligence and information it has discovered both in Stain and Monalaz.

Your notion of Amarr favourtism or control, in reference to this taskforce and its activities at least, seems rather absurd.



You sir are an obvious supporter of slavery and an amarrian provocateur. Because raw facts are bad, you need to focus on blowing up civilians more to be more akin to the Ushra'khan mindset.
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Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#78 - 2012-01-12 15:17:44 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
So, Ushra'Khan has now allied itself with Sansha's Nation ?

Gives a new meaning to that whole "we come for 'our' people" thing, doesn't it ?


Reading inability or just inablity o comprehend the content of a transmission? Which of teh two is your problem?

- they came, they found no sanshas, but they found DED forces under amarrian command.

That is the situation, and it warrants an investigation.
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#79 - 2012-01-12 22:32:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ugleb
Ollie Rundle wrote:
While it's been an interesting exercise in observational intel gathering, perhaps its time to attempt to end pilot Ugleb's spooky conspiracy theorycraft.

I direct you to a file that's been easilly accessible to the capsuleer public for well over eighteen months now.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1005/ISHAEKA-0001.pdf

On page 2 of ISHAEKA-0001 you'll find the operational organisation of Taskforce ISHAEKA. You should note the multi-lateral involvement of the Gallente Federal Intelligence Office, Amarr and Caldari intelligence services and Republic security services. You will see that surveillance, comms and tactical response squads during operations in Stain were made up of DED crews and ships operating alongside members of the Justicar squadron, Tash-Murkon contingent. You will also note that the Servant Sisters of Eve were involved in a medical and search/rescue capacity.

One might hope that this provides you and the remainder of your colleagues within U'K with the 'proof' that the taskforce is multinational and that the Matari government - along with the governments of other CONCORD signatories - holds much if not all of the intelligence and information it has discovered both in Stain and Monalaz.

Your notion of Amarr favourtism or control, in reference to this taskforce and its activities at least, seems rather absurd.


Thank you for the information, I shall read it with great interest. It is interesting that none of our many critics before you seemed aware of this either though, I'd suggest that 'easily accessible' might not equate to 'widely known'. Most here seem to be dealing in rumours over substance. I asked for information, you have delivered some.

Balthazar Baraz wrote:
And all of sudden The Ushra'Khan are no where to be seen. What a surprise!


I have more things to do than just verbally joust with members of the Imperial Academy.

Aquila Shadow wrote:
UK kills them for the bounty on there head. We do it to stop inocent people dieing.

...

So basically what your saying is that you are planning on killing more DED officers? also you cant honestly say that you have not destroyed nations ships just for the money, i mean who are you freeing by by blowing up pirate ships in belts? UK has at no point as an alliance engaged in anti nation activities other then to make a profit.


Are you telling me that you return those lucrative fees CONCORD pays you to defend high sec? And are you telling me that I was not in Huola defending it from Nation attack prior to Kuvakei's assault on Yulai? I can tell you that CONCORD didn't pay me a single ISK that day. My record of destroying Nation assets goes back almost as far as my pilots licence, but they have never been my only foe.

And who do I free by destroying a Nation warship? Just who do you think that you are defending? The answer is the same; every person who that vessel and Nation would have gone on to threaten if we had not destroyed it.

You have no idea what motivates me, and clearly little comprehension of the many things I have done over the years. If ISK was my driving goal then I would be a much wealthier man than I am. The depth of your arrogance and presumption is amusing, to say the least.

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Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-01-13 02:49:46 UTC
Ugleb wrote:
Ollie Rundle wrote:
While it's been an interesting exercise in observational intel gathering, perhaps its time to attempt to end pilot Ugleb's spooky conspiracy theorycraft.

I direct you to a file that's been easilly accessible to the capsuleer public for well over eighteen months now.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1005/ISHAEKA-0001.pdf

On page 2 of ISHAEKA-0001 you'll find the operational organisation of Taskforce ISHAEKA. You should note the multi-lateral involvement of the Gallente Federal Intelligence Office, Amarr and Caldari intelligence services and Republic security services. You will see that surveillance, comms and tactical response squads during operations in Stain were made up of DED crews and ships operating alongside members of the Justicar squadron, Tash-Murkon contingent. You will also note that the Servant Sisters of Eve were involved in a medical and search/rescue capacity.

One might hope that this provides you and the remainder of your colleagues within U'K with the 'proof' that the taskforce is multinational and that the Matari government - along with the governments of other CONCORD signatories - holds much if not all of the intelligence and information it has discovered both in Stain and Monalaz.

Your notion of Amarr favourtism or control, in reference to this taskforce and its activities at least, seems rather absurd.


Thank you for the information, I shall read it with great interest. It is interesting that none of our many critics before you seemed aware of this either though, I'd suggest that 'easily accessible' might not equate to 'widely known'. Most here seem to be dealing in rumours over substance. I asked for information, you have delivered some.

Balthazar Baraz wrote:
And all of sudden The Ushra'Khan are no where to be seen. What a surprise!


I have more things to do than just verbally joust with members of the Imperial Academy.

Aquila Shadow wrote:
UK kills them for the bounty on there head. We do it to stop inocent people dieing.

...

So basically what your saying is that you are planning on killing more DED officers? also you cant honestly say that you have not destroyed nations ships just for the money, i mean who are you freeing by by blowing up pirate ships in belts? UK has at no point as an alliance engaged in anti nation activities other then to make a profit.


Are you telling me that you return those lucrative fees CONCORD pays you to defend high sec? And are you telling me that I was not in Huola defending it from Nation attack prior to Kuvakei's assault on Yulai? I can tell you that CONCORD didn't pay me a single ISK that day. My record of destroying Nation assets goes back almost as far as my pilots licence, but they have never been my only foe.

And who do I free by destroying a Nation warship? Just who do you think that you are defending? The answer is the same; every person who that vessel and Nation would have gone on to threaten if we had not destroyed it.

You have no idea what motivates me, and clearly little comprehension of the many things I have done over the years. If ISK was my driving goal then I would be a much wealthier man than I am. The depth of your arrogance and presumption is amusing, to say the least.


My arrogance? i dont go around killing DED officers just because they are allied with the "enemy" in something that benifits all humans.

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