Intergalactic Summit

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I realize it is a waste of my time to argue about this. Ushra'Khan (and indeed every other Capsuleer organization in New Eden) will do what they damn well please, and nothing anyone else can say will change that.

I only hope you realize what you're doing before it's too late.

I am so sorry for you, Ushra'Khan. I truly am.

This is incorrect. All the key facts about the Monalaz operation were known well before any mentions of it appeared in the Arek'Jaalan mailing list. This can be easily verified thanks to the fact all mails are archived.

The mail that the Nation intercepted from ISHAEKA Commander Vieve Creston, for example, provided the cluster with enough information to know where to look, and it was hardly the only piece of information out there before the AJ mailing list picked the story up.

Not only is the timeline wrong, however, but on this specific matter the Arek'Jaalan project has repeatedly and explicitly stated that it will not endorse any actions taken against the Monalaz operation.

Anyone who thinks this is the fault of a public mailing list, or that the project is responsible, is simply ignoring the facts.

We are questioning the supposed neutrality of CONCORD and the level of operational control that Imperial forces seem to have over them.

This 'secret mission' you seem so concerned that we have jeopardised is evidently one of the worst kept secrets in the cluster given that Nation have obviously been aware of it for some time. And I put it to you, if just three capsuleers are truly such a grave threat to this 'Operation ISHAEKA' then may the Amarrian's god save them when the Sansha decide to show up, because no-one else will be there to do it for them.



CONCORD do not normally guard the assets of sovereign powers, that is the responsibility of the sovereign nation. They also do not place their vessels under the command of any nation either. Neither statement is true here. Furthermore using DED property for personal gain would be a gross abuse of their position.

On Arek'jaalan I agree with you, their relevance in this matter is circumstantial, I only mentioned them in the first place as CONCORD saw fit to prohibit them from delving too deeply in that area. To avoid scrutiny of their odd little setup, obviously.

You refer to the Elders I presume? Now there's a lengthy debate all of its own. I would reply simply that CONCORD's failings go back much further than a few briefyears of recent history.

Tactless, blunt, disregarding any consequences of their actions and refusing to admit an obvious mistake.
Can't say I'm surprised. Kudos to your consistency, Ushra'khan.

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No real effort was made to correct this pilots obvious error. Mark726 then proceeded to storm the facility he found with the aid of known pirates Tsunami Cartel. Details of which are also in the mailing list. Would you like me to fetch them?

In any case, the location of ISHEAKA's HQ was not known until it was published by this pilot on the mailing list.

So I re-iterare my previous point and advise you to read your own mails.

If a CONCORD Official told me the sky was blue I'd walk outside look up and check for myself.

EVERY Organisation has it's own goals.

Including mine.

Regards,

Marus

Despite the fact that U'K members specifically mention AJ and their public comms, and that the first time the specific system was ever brought to light was on AJ's mailing list...

AJ isnt entirely at fault. They just need to shoulder some responsibility for information they publish.

The fact is no one cared before one pilot spilt it over the mailing list.

As has already been pointed out, the idea that DED cooperation with these Justicars is something that can just as easily be explained by many other things, more probable things, than some sort of favoritism.

I think I understand the perspective being presented by U'K though, and I do have an appreciation for it. The idea that Concord might be ignoring it's "spiritual" intent of dealing with all the empires equally would be troubling. I don't agree that this particular instance would provide reason to think that is the case though.

As for the issue of Concord possibly hiding things from us, well I can only say one thing to that; so what? Concord, and the DED specifically, have better things to do with their time than try and coddle and nurse the stray cries of outrage from capsuleers. We are a very small fraction of the population of the cluster, and we are not exactly known for having a track record of rational and responsible thought and action, especially when it comes to very important bits of information. As I see it, if the DED is cooperating with the Justicars, regardless of which organization has the "lead role", that the DED would be privy to all information gained during the operation. If the DED has the information it is reasonable to assume that the upper level intelligence agencies of all four empires also have that information because, as has already been said, Nation is a threat to all the empires.

What U'K is asking for, this proof of impartiality through information transparency, is a respectable and understandable thing to be asking for. However there is a good chance that if the DED did reveal what information it and the Justicars have gained, it could make the information operationally useless. Further, U'K, you are an association of pilots, not a sovereign nation (regardless of if you hold mechanical sovereignty over any systems) with diplomatic contact with the Concord Assembly so I don't see any reason you, or I, or CVA, or Goonswarm, etc... should expect that level of information exchange. Have you even attempted to ask the Republic, Federation, or State if they have received the information you are suggesting is being held back by a Pro-Empire Concord?