EVE General Discussion

It's a normal process after a large shift in the status quo. With BoB in control, the Goons couldn't make a move, but after their demise, there was a lot of unclaimed territory.

Sun Tzu said it best:



If the Goons had attempted to oust BoB by direct combat, the Goons would have faced an uphill battle, facing opposition at every turn. By taking advantage of the void left by BoB's demise, they took a huge area of space, and they did it with little-to-no cost to themselves. I'd like to talk to the strategist that made the call, because his timing on the move was absolutely brilliant.

As for the 'why should they be criticized' angle -- frankly, I'm not sure they should be. At least, not for the clever maneuvering that got them where they are today. I think, rather, that criticism should be (and is) directed primarily at their increasing presence and voice in the meta-game.

Do the Goons have 'too much power'? In some ways, I feel that they do. I've read the complaints about how the Goons 'seized the CSM', and I've seen the results of their ice-belt embargo (the latter an extremely effective strategy, however unpleasant it may be for the rest of us).

My point is, only a massive dedication of ships and materiel will unseat the Goons; that's how it was when BoB was in the seat, and that's how it's going to continue after the Goons are finally ousted. Even if that happens, the next group that takes power will be in much the same position, holding the space that the Goons have vacated.

If we want to 'challenge the beast', it's going to take more than a token attempt at parlay. It's going to take force.

Well almost, BOB was undone by a stab in the back by a turncoat director. The "fail" Corp/Alliance mechanisms for control, however "fail" they are, are another story entirely. BOB itself was an issue before the Goons or RMT Plantations for much the same reasons. They were the early settlers of Zero when it was not populated, and having seized the then major resource centers (fixed complexes, moongoo, etc.) and having built up a massive resource core through game bugs and exploits (not to mention T20 events) were UNASSAILABLE. The Goons merely came along and cleaned up after their rogue director put an end to their reign. So get your facts straight.

The problem is not dissimilar to why the Chinese are on their own server. Until metagaming advantages are engineered out of the game mechanics, ordinary subscribers need not apply (except to SomethingAwful.com or the RMT Plantations for "Guard Dog" duty.) How thrilling. Really makes me want to spend $15/month on a sub..... NOT!

This is exactly what is holding down subscription levels because new players quit after they figure this out at about six months.

I've said as much, so have others. It gets lost in forum wars and derailment campaigns.

Even the more recent NC didn't fall in combat. NC had been fighting Russians for 2 years prior to the fall, just not in thier own systems. After the Anom nerf being in NC became pure PvP and that meant unsustainable ISK sinks so everyone left. By the time PL showed up, NC was already in Evac.

It seems to me that a lot of people are complaining that people think their small corporation, or even the person individually, should be able to take null sec space for themselves without being threatened by large alliances. I really don't see how that can ever be the case. Since null sec is lawless, the alliances roll around and destroy anybody smaller than them. It simply comes down to manpower. If you dont have the manpower, you have to make it not-worth-their-time, and if you can't do that, then you can't stay in null. I don't really even see why that should ever change. If you want to go out with your small-time corp/alliance, there's NPC owned null sec you can live in. Sure, goonswarm and whoever-the-hell-else owns a huge amount of space, but so have others. There's plenty you can still do while not attacking them directly, but that seems to be all anybody can ever think about.

So, until someone comes around and makes a giant coalition to take them down, everybody will just have to wait for them to fold from the inside. And then, they'll be replaced by somebody else. That's just the way it is, and with no limiting factors, the biggest/wealthiest force owns the most territory.

So as we have all seen and know to be true- massive, seemingly unstoppable alliances always crumble and fall. I would like to know a Goon opinion on this. How does it feel to know your days are numbered? Or do you tell yourselves that you are somehow special snowflakes and the laws of EVE do not govern you?

As usual Andski, a shitsperg. Did you read? I was in Tribute ready to fight for NC. 3 or 4 days later we were stood down.

"we stood down, why didn't the CFC come save us ((("

that's pretty much it, we're just that good
between the fall of NC and how your apps are being trolled and rejected by the elite pvp goon haters, which are you more butthurt about?