EVE General Discussion

some are born great posters, some achieve greatness of posting, and some have great posts thrust in their face

Valei, you are pretty much SPOT ON ON ALL POINTS. I've played Eve for six years, run everything I can with my 100 million plus skillpoints, been everywhere from Jita to Deep Zero as neighbors of BOB... and I agree with everything you have said here. Why am I saying this as a "Bitter Vet" when I am supposed to line up with the rest of Vet's who are sucking tit off the RMT Plantations? Because I hate the Plantations and every twisted stupid mechanic of CCP's that they have used to totally ruin the sovereignty game in Zero. It is sad what they have done to Eve. It's killing subscription growth and killing revenue.
Ultimately it will kill Eve. In my case, Eve is no long worthy of my real cash and I just pay for PLEX with isk.

…such as?
Yes. It was called “abandoning core EVE for Incarna and other dream projects.”
Good. That means you're supporting CCP even more than before.

No, actually they don't because if I was still paying cash instead (of buying plex with game isk I earned "ingame"), they would not only be receiving the money somebody else paid them for the PLEX, but they would be receiving my sub payment.

As it is now, they are only receiving the other guy's money who paid for the PLEX I use.

Which costs them more money to purchase than a usual sub. So instead of getting your sub and the PLEX-purchaser's sub, they're technically getting both subs plus five additional USDs.

I appreciate what you're saying and have to add: These people will never learn.

There's two devices which make fighting an absurdity, the main one being the gargantuanly unfeasible in any reality warp scrambler. You can magically intervene into the core of a ship's workings with a device that's so surgical it doesn't affect your own. Preposterous doesn't touch it. (Anyone with any sense has already left town.) But, sure enough, it's been snatched up and made the chokepoint of the entire SANDBOX game here. The crybabies that will now scream about its validity use it as a crutch (as that's all it can hope to be) but would NEVER admit they do. They've formulated their entire play style around it, and in actuality IT rules them. They don't rule it. (It's a game! It's not real life! It's a game! It's not real life. There, I made their argument for them.)

Having to yourself complete mission objectives to use a warp gate, but just anyone who comes along can use it, too, makes this feature a true object of ridicule, and makes the game ridiculous. CCP brags about no instances in the game. So...why did I have to complete a mission objective to use the gate, but the gankers didn't? (Try to make some sense when you dispute this, please. The previous arguments fall like cow patties...plop!)

Presently the low sec/null sec crowd in the main only want victims out there. They'll use their ONLY USEABLE device...hell, even draining someone's cap without draining your own at the same time is ridiculous on the face of it...and they'll use it WELL - just the way someone can use a pair of crutches well after about three weeks.

So pat yourselves on the back you mighty warriors out there. Pretend you know what you're doing. It's the law.

Anyone with a knowledge of naval warfare KNOWS the main problem is finding the enemy and pinning him down. Neither of those is certain, and when it's accomplished it's UNIQUE, and not the rule. PROVE you can actually fight. Lose the warp scrams and webefiers. Use some sort of SKILL, then brag.

I can see, OP, why you're miffed.

Again, you ably point out the obvious to which I reply, "So...?"

Uhm. You don't. That's kind of the idea. But a Pvp fit thrasher with a MWD should be able to make it interesting.

That being said. This is a very harsh, very cold, very unforgiving game. Traveling alone cuts your margin for error to zero. It's called an MMO for a very specific reason. It's designed with cooperative play in mind. It baffles me how many people do what you did, and post what you posted. Frankly it was probably only the Broadsword you saw because thats all the guy and his friends wanted you to see. Null is the big leagues buddy they only people there are idiots like you who day trip there and the hardcore who know what they are doing.

Although I enjoy the quality and tone of your posting in this verbal written sparring of interesting ideas, I believe that the level of reasoning used to create your stance regarding the ambiguity of these two devices in a sense, and sadly, overflows into the realm of Elementary Particles.

Why? Since as Above so below, your whole point is based on an incredibly empirical stance that despite criticizing the "reality"of the current game mechanics (embodied in said modules) has no solution possible within the construement of the game itself as it is NOW.

In short, you are simply escalating the premise of your statement to a point that no matter what , you will always be able to say "So... ?". it's like a T2 version of a stubborn kid refusing to concede a point.

For your proposal and critique to have a valid resolution would require an act of such supernatural stature (removing these two modules for example) that it would simply invalide the current field of play.

it's a bit obtuse and terse, and when seeing it for that perspective, it's a SAFE assumption you can use in practically any argument WITHIN the game to leave any discussion with yourself unscathed.

There is simply no definite answer to your proposal, because the moment it's taken away (say, again, by removing said modules) the whole ground upon which you based this is gone and destroyed rendering your statement void.

Since the core play mechanic of eve is FIXED and KNOWABLE (unlike our universe, at the moment anyway, I can always hope for mankind to evolve) it's easy to foresee without any real degree of effort that the CONTINUITY OF GAME BREAKING CYLES developed by the community and userbase will present itself again. CCP has shown an incredible amount of naivete every time they release an expansion (I can't blame them, don't think any logical sane thinking person can) to realize the way the userbase will TWIST, expand and CAPITALIZE upon any quirk of a fixed mechanic.

By extrapolating from this, your stance will easily be mutated eventually by someone else to exemplify a perfect clone of your statement regarding ANY OTHER TYPE OF MECHANIC OR DEVICE.

The real force behind what you say will remain ALWAYS as MMO's are per se FINITE, they have clear limits and a fixed set of rules that CCP continually has to work UPOn them using them as a GROUND.

This my friend is the whole Issue regarding MMO Development. Most companies believe BALANCE is achieved by tuning up or down certain mechanics, where in reality, MAN, the RACE OF MAN is inherently chaotic and innovative, so BALANCE is a dream to hope for and will always be impossible to reach to a form in which a consensus of everyone involved feels satisfied.

Today your two modules, tomorrow the 3 new types of turrets, in 1 year the new mechanic that allows jumping without gates, and on and on and on.

Your stance if done innocently is unsolvable and also, like CCP"s a bit ... naive, if done intentionally it's a weak attempt at obtaining a personal iota of relevance within an enclosed frame of mind for the sake of doing it unable to be resolved by anyone but you. All of this is neither wrong nor correct, nor bad nor good, but loved to analyze your stance as it is a pretty common occurrence during psychotherapy, the point of encapsulation and the moment you can begin a small counterattack against the ego of the client to develop new strains of possible outcomes whose only purpose is HEALING.

So in short and to make this more easy

TLDR: What you propose is futile, as time and the game has proven over and over, someone somewhere will find a loophole exploitable by anyone. Removing such "perceptions of unfair advantage" only further complicate matters as there is no real solution EVER achieved. it's a never-ending cycle of thought processes that lead nowhere.

Unfortunately, I can only, like any other human being can point out certain issues, but I believe what modern MMO development needs is a new theorem and paradigm of thinking, on which instead of looking for BALANCE and raw data of most used ship/module/tactic we create a sort of Modular diagram that is able to keep a perfect geometrical form no matter what angle or side you see it... It will always be "balanced" even when pieces within the module are taken out of it or added to it. Circle thinking in design has shown to lead nowhere, as obvious as it might sound.

But that would be delving into a forbidden field and I think I might lose people at this point on what I'm trying to Imply ...

6 years in eve and still no idea of how plexes work, hoo boy. Better get out, this game is not for your kind~