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This is why people don't ever go into 0.0 space anymore

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Valei Khurelem
#1 - 2012-01-07 01:21:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Now, anyone calling me a noob in this situation can kindly gtfo because I was up against from first glance what appeared to be a tech 2 Broadsword and I was in a Tech 1 Thrasher, there was absolutely no way I could win in that situation. So I made a combat alt. purely to try dabbling in a bit of 0.0 PvE and run around getting killed, I knew I was going to get killed so I gave my alt. 10 mil and the most basic equipment for mission running, I even put the alt. in the nearest high sec system to the agent I was aiming for.

I headed off to try and do some Angel Cartel missions because when playing freelancer I loved the idea of being a pirate and taking on jobs that don't fall into the 'I'm the hero trying to save everyone' category ( jumpholes and finding the various faction bases are very fun, I recommend playing it ) so I get to I think it was the third to last system on my route.

I had noticed that as I went through about three people mysteriously disappeared from local so that probably meant they were tracking who were coming in and out. So I went bugger it and tried suicide running in the hopes that I could sneak past them, I got to the next system low and behold there was a Broadsword waiting for me, I knew I was trapped, the guy had his warp scrambler on me before I could even attempt to run away ( Seriously, what kind of game gives people OP weaponry and then doesn't allow the 'lesser' players to even run? ) I tried charging him and got only one shot off against the guy which obviously did barely any damage so I'm not even allowed to die honourably in this situation and take his ship with me. Not even giving me the chance to flee back to the high sec carebear space from where I came from he took out my pod and thanks to my precautions and insurance measures ( forgot to mention that earlier ) I ended up back in high security with some of my cash back.

Now my experience, I suspect, is pretty much similar to anyone in high sec that has a brain and for the ones that don't it was much worse as they'd have ended up 20+ jumps away from where they started off and would have lost a much larger amount of cash. This was only one player too, I've had experiences on suicide runs to 0.0 where I've run into entire fleets who are quite literally camping a gate a 3:00am GMT, granted this is a game where all sorts of people join in and I love that idea, but this just shows you how almost pathetically gankers are hunting down the carebears almost to extinction and they only exist anymore because of the high sec nature reserve.

PvP is pretty much dead folks and even though it's partially CCP's fault for being unable to create a balanced game where anyone can have a fighting chance, it's the PvPers and gankers that killed 0.0 space by themselves. The only way I could be comfortable PvPing in this game anymore is with 1000 fleet members at my back ( even then I'd still probably lose if they were all tech 1 ships ) or with a system much like Counter-Strike source, where I won't be punished for choosing the pistol and going up against an AWP. With the situation I was in, it was like CCP had given the other player who had got a bit more game time than me a nuke ( without any repercussions ) and I was having to use just a knife, sure, I managed to get a scratch on him but in the end I was going to die anyway, I couldn't even take him with me.

So ends my rant for the day :) hope CCP learns something from my experience, I'd get you a youtube clip but it quite literally happened in less than a minute and I know I'd get trolled by people who think they know how a game works better than me. Just so you know, nerfing high sec and the amount of ISK you can earn there will completely kill this game, there would be no carebears to brave 0.0 and the PvP loving bunch would have no one to gank on unfair terms.

TLDR: I came, I saw, I got ganked, I got vindicated

p.s. I think I'll still aim for a high sec PoS perhaps, it sounds like fun

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Dradius Calvantia
Lip Shords
#2 - 2012-01-07 01:25:58 UTC
EVE is not for you
Kha'Vorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-01-07 01:25:59 UTC
Kicking back with some popcorn, just waiting for the inevitable...
Valei Khurelem
#4 - 2012-01-07 01:27:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Kha'Vorn wrote:
Kicking back with some popcorn, just waiting for the inevitable...


So am I lol but what do you think it does for the game if people go on being in denial about the glaring problems with it? :P

inb4 no one properly reads my wall of text

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EVE is not for you


You're right, EVE is for cowards.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Radelix Cisko
JUMP DRIVE ACTIVE
#5 - 2012-01-07 01:33:23 UTC
Thats bad luck friend. You should give it another go. You are going to run into blobs and far larger ships than what you have. But that is part of the game is knowing how to pick your fights. Do recon, listen to local, ask in local. This game rewards intelligence and forethought and that is how I and others here like it.

Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game

Valei Khurelem
#6 - 2012-01-07 01:34:29 UTC
It really doesn't, but thanks for the advice and opinion.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-01-07 01:35:31 UTC
poop on teh floor is a 50 euro fine
[Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits?](https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=199765)
Jason McCoy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-01-07 01:36:13 UTC
wow blame ccp for your stupidity

another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz.
Valei Khurelem
#9 - 2012-01-07 01:37:40 UTC
Jason McCoy wrote:
wow blame ccp for your stupidity

another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz.


Okay then, how do you beat a tech 2 broadsword with a tech 1 destroyer?

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

yarona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-01-07 01:38:16 UTC
Yeah... Thats what its like on the edge systems. Those closest to Hisec Entrances to low/null... TBH pvp isn't dead. You just don't know how/where to look for it.
Jason McCoy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-01-07 01:41:07 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Jason McCoy wrote:
wow blame ccp for your stupidity

another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz.


Okay then, how do you beat a tech 2 broadsword with a tech 1 destroyer?
You dont. A broadsword is a tech 2 ship so there is no need to state the obvious, this only shows your noobness.

Lots of people everyday are leaving for 0.0 it being a roam, exploration or to live.

Your encounter does not have anything to do with the current moving to 0.0 situation. Stop generalizing, just shows your noobness.

Pick your fights, like someone else said this game rewards on good intel. Use it.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-01-07 01:41:24 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Jason McCoy wrote:
wow blame ccp for your stupidity

another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz.


Okay then, how do you beat a tech 2 broadsword with a tech 1 destroyer?


You don't.


"Balanced" doesn't mean everyone is equal. Balanced means everything has a counter. That person was using a counter to your ship.
Valei Khurelem
#13 - 2012-01-07 01:42:48 UTC
Oh boy :D

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

met worst
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-01-07 01:44:27 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:

So I went bugger it and tried suicide running..................I ended up back in high security with some of my cash back.

You got what you were asking for and that's a problem. How?
Jason McCoy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-01-07 01:45:15 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Oh boy :D

oh nelly!
Valei Khurelem
#16 - 2012-01-07 01:46:58 UTC
I was trying to get to a 0.0 agent that I wanted to do missions for, feel free to tell me an ideal way that doesn't involve millions of ISK loss?

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Famble
Three's a Crowd
#17 - 2012-01-07 01:47:20 UTC
You need to be corp'd and blue'd to participate in null in any meaningful way (read at all). Part of me doesn't like that but the logical part says that checks out. There should be rewards for those whom organize. It's just too bad that their playground is ALL of null. /shrug

I just stick to highsec.

If anyone ever looks at you and says,_ "Hold my beer, watch this,"_  you're probably going to want to pay attention.

Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#18 - 2012-01-07 01:48:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Messoroz
1. It's a fudging thrasher, you should be far faster than a single broadsword
2. If you travel in 0.0 without a burner of some kind, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG
3. Most frigs and sometimes destroyers can easily just burn back to gate and jump back out of the gate they spawned on when running into camps, this is a valid tactic assuming the campers shoot at you and aggress themselves meaning they can't jump for a minute. This also assumes you weren't stupid enough to shoot as well. AND it assumes you are properly fit.

The problem isn't an balancing issue, IT'S AN INTELLIGENCE ISSUE. I suggest reading some guides/tips/how tos on how to properly traverse null sec.
Rory Orlenard
Eve Pilots Revolutionary Army
#19 - 2012-01-07 01:49:16 UTC
Yes , we need CCP to take "The Lowest Common Denominator" approach to all gameplay - mimick the real world, no one gets blown up or offended and CCP should give us free Isk.
Valei Khurelem
#20 - 2012-01-07 01:50:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Messoroz wrote:
1. It's a fudging thrasher, you should be far faster than a single broadsword
2. If you travel in 0.0 without a burner of some kind, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG
3. Most frigs and sometimes destroyers can easily just burn back to gate and jump back out of the gate they spawned on when running into camps, this is a valid tactic assuming the campers shoot at you and aggress themselves meaning they can't jump for a minute. This also assumes you weren't stupid enough to shoot as well. AND it assumes you are properly fit.


I'm done being polite now, learn to read ;)

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I tried charging him and got only one shot off against the guy which obviously did barely any damage

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

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