Science & Industry

Well as the owner of a bunch of T2 BPO's I can tell you this:

T2 BPO's aren't huge money printing machines. Most are barely profitable due to the market values set by invention, and some are less then you would think as the manufacturing times are so long (like command ships) that you are nerfed by only having 1 build at a time. I will admit there are some profitable ones out there but most are like my pilgrim print that averages about 1.5 ish bil / month in profit.

The ones that really profit are the ones that got them for free in the initial lotteries ( I got a couple) and are now reselling to collectors( of which I am one).

2 weeks ago I spent 60 B + on a BPO (Crusader) that makes a whopping 600 mil a month. Am I stupid? Well, yes but I have also played the game since 03 and have isk laying around that I have no other real use for so I collect things. I thought crusader was cool looking and might look even more awesome when they V3 it later this year but other then that it sits in a hanger just as part of the collection of all things amarr :)

It is collectors like me looking for the rare things in eve that make the prices what they are cause I am not alone and certainly not the richest. For people like me, T2 BPO's are like the Picaso's of the eve world. Does it make sense that people spend millions on a piece of canvas with a bit of paint on it ? Nope... but as long as there are collectors there will be percieved value.

There isn't a hell of a lot for us old vets in this game, leave our Picaso's alone :P My bucket list is done, I have done pretty much all there is to do in game (built several outposts, run alliances, fleet fights, built and flown supers for years , etc, etc), so is it really that bad that we spend stupid amounts of ISK on a blue box in our hangers ? :)

Maybe we should remove stupid players , but who will open the next "remove T2 BPO" Thread then??

actually eve is one of the few MMOs that has been steadily gaining subs over the past few years so maybe you are just a ******.

Yeah but the point your missing is that the crane bpo owner can build 1 every what 24 hours or so ? The inventor can invent several at a time so your 7 mill profit x say even only 5 invention jobs = 35 mil in profit ....

Brewlar Kuvakei, you seem to be allowing Tech 2 Blue Print Originials to have unnecessary lordship over your life and your game (Your posts are monaical about these things and you insist on capitalizing them with every mention). Tech 2 bpo's are not the sole way to wealth in Eve. Most of the wealthy have never held a Tech 2 bpo. Also not every tech 2 item has been hollowed out by bpo holders. There is an increasing number of tech 2 items which have never had a tech 2 bpo for them. Also even the modules which were controlled by tech 2 monopolies in the old days can have good prices for people willing to produce them.

Sounds like you were doing invention wrong then. Good thing you quit. Of course, you might have sounded a bit different, if you were making 700 mil profit on 100 cranes, but that's your choice.

Probably not the best idea.

T2 BPO's are profitable, but no where near as crazy as when you could have 5 million profit out of a 50k production cost as was the case with Cap Recharger II's for a while during 2005. With the addition of inventions and Tech getting boosted much later the majority of the profit in the T2 market lies in simply selling moon gold which is mined passively and emptied once a week. If anything CCP should not nerf BPO's but rather curbstomp r64 moons.

I cant be bothered reading all 4 pages but read the first few, if this has been said already or the conversation has moved on then... Oh well

Anyway If CCP remove t2 BPO's then they may aswel remove invention as in 99% sure most of the t2 is from invention. and if all t2 is removed from even to pander to new pilots they may as well remove the meta items as heaven forbid the price on them will go up and the new pilots cant afford them,

And if you remove all the meta as well why bother with skills at all, everyone has the ability for all things and it then is the players abilities VS the other players and nothing else. which kills eve.

So no leave the BPO's alone.

Yes I went on a tangent of possible speculation deal with it.

+1

I own 4 T2 small ammo BPOs, I've had them for a while now but they haven't come even remotely close to making back their cost (which looking at sell orders the asking price looks to have gone up ~50-75% since I bought these, could sell them but I just like having them), I mostly bought them just as shiny (well, not really shiny, more of a laminated paper look) collectables since I had the isk. I have other ways of making far more isk/unit time, heck even mission grinding pays out better, as T2 he prices some folks seek for their produce really leave me thinking the old "I made it so it was free" mindset came in for PI products and minerals needed for them.
Then you'll also have people taking the same view of the datacores they are given, whereas I can just wait until I have a large number and then sell them all to people who have the sense to realize the datacores are not zero cost items when calculating your production costs.

Reality is that if the devs were to remove them they'd need to compensate the owners quite generously to prevent a lynching at the following annual fan-fest, this in turn would make the rich become even richer with respect to the less rich => whatever the flavour of the month ships/items are would become massively more expensive as we look for a new collectable and then we'd have others demanding that those items/ships be removed or additional sources be added, bringing us right back to the same standoff that currently exists with the T2 BPOs. I think the real problem is that some people just don't understand how capitalism works...