Science & Industry

Out of curiosity, does anyone in this thread actually oppose the keeping of T2 BPOs in the game? I just see a lot of trolling. Maybe this is a sign that this particular nonsense is no longer the fad.

You clearly have not played this game very long. T2 BPO's used to have huge profit margins, but ever since invention circa 2007 the T2 market dropped like a stone and has stabilized for the most part at either slim to zero profit compared to what it was. The only increases you really see in prices of T2 goods are spikes in materials for one reason or another or a temporary shortage in supply. At this point T2 BPO's have essentially little impact on the market due to the vast number of inventors. I guarantee you that if CCP pulled all the T2 BPO's from the game you would hardly notice a price change in anything.

I hate to tell you this Timmy, but there are a load of idiots out there who produce stuff and sell it for below "cost", and by cost I mean you couldn't buy the raw materials and make the item for less than what they are selling for. It's true in both T1 and T2 production. You have to look and find the T1 and T2 products that can actually turn a profit, and unless you are going to run a huge series of production lines you aren't going to win against major production producers in this game even with a T2 BPO. The reason being is that these people are most likely buying moon goo in bulk and creating their own materials cheaper than you can buy them.

This is a game of economics you are talking about here. You have to adapt or lose profit. You have to figure out a way to beat the competition or find a new product to produce simple as that.

The solution is obvious. If you think they are great, buy a couple.

And as for Plex players not supporting the game? LOL, figure out where plex come from. I assure your there isn't a BPO.

These never end well, just lock it.

To quote: "Dont worry, be happy; It is just a game!"

AFAIK this quote sums it all up :)

That's because the owners of TECH II BPO have researched the **** out of them in those 5 years allowing them to further hammer down the price completely undercutting all other competition in certain fields of TECH II.

CCP has gifted certain players the right to bypass 1 whole stage of tech II production for free for zero, zilch,nothing. ''Hey we like you, here have this it will make printing ISK that much easier and **** off all of our new players who want to produce tech II but can't because you can now undercut them with this magic item that never ever ever ever runs out., heck it can't even be stolen, you can lock it away but don't worry we'll still magically let everyone you want be able to use it even though it's locked away''.

You keep saying its an unfair advantage, but how? They weren't given out for free as you keep saying except for the T20 scandal. You had to grind the standings, train the skills, and pick the agent. Its not an old player vs new player issue. I was playing then and I wasn't given one "for free." I didn't get one at all, and I'm totally fine with that. Players put in the work that was required at the time for a shot at a T2 bpo.

By the same logic officer and dead space mods are unfair. Someone might have gotten a free officer mod free once. Maybe even 5 years ago. They use the same crappy rng that we've always had. Most people will never loot an Estamel or Gist X-type mod. Should they all be pulled from the game? Someone got one free 5 years ago so everyone should get as many as they want for free, or they must be removed from the game. Sure I could buy an Estamel Invuln from someone who was lucky enough to get one. But I don't want too, its not fair.

Brewlar, you're not even 3 months old on that character, yet you come on the forum spouting on how CCP should pander to your wants?

I'm over 4 years old, and couldn't care less that people have T2 BPO's, or more shiny ships, or more isk than me, I play for playings sake, not to amass a huge bank balance.

There is a great saying used in life, and in EvE, Adapt or Die, if you can't make the uber isk you seek by the means you're trying then try a different way.

T2 BPO's and their removal is a dead issue, coming on with arguments that have been done to death many times before will not change things, if CCP wanted to remove them then they would have done so.

You could very well argue that someone who has been paying eve since 2003 has an insurmountable advantage over someone who has just started, as they've got a huge skills difference, CCP have done a few things to make it easier for the new player to get the essential skills faster in the times, accelerated learnings, implants, tutorials that practically throw skillbooks at you, but as a new player, you will always technically be at a disadvantage compared to someone who has been doing the same thing who has had the chance to build up skills, experience, knowledge and standings with corporations and relationships with players to give them a better edge.

So what do you propose ccp does about this situation, scrap skills and let everyone play 'god mode'? and how often should a reset of assets and wallets be performed so people don't gain an advantage?

EvE is dynamic, some people have lots of isk, some don't. Some people find it really easy to make isk, some don't.

If you can't make isk on Product A then try making isk on Product B, if that fails, try Product C.

As for players quitting because they can't make isk on T2 products as easily as someone who ows a T2 BPO, get real, where on earth are you getting your information from, are you privy to the information people type in to their comments box when they unsubscribe? I suspect that more industrialists quit purely because of the botter problem devaluing personal mining to the point that everyone thinks you're insane to do it.

To me it smacks of jealousy and wanting something that old players had a chance of getting in a lottery. Sure there was a limited problem with the T20 thing, but that was a nearly 5 years ago. You know, when hulks were 600 million isk+ and isk wasn't as plentiful as it is now with incursions etc, owing a hulk was a big deal then, and something the industrial people aspired to, now they're a 1/3 of that price at most, even dropping to around the 130mil mark at times.

Surely it's time to let sleeping dogs lie, accept the fact that people have more than you, accept that fact that you've got more stuff than others, and just get on with the game (hint, bolded the important bit)

While I was not one of those actively complaining, you have explained to me why this isn't an issue after all.

Thank you, Jarnis.

Cindy, this is such an important point, I can't say it strongly enough. CCP is one of the very few game companies that has thought carefully and intelligently about the whole issue of "gold buying".

Congratulations. You have put your finger right on the central point of the whole argument.