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TECH II BPO Removal
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flakeys
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-01-06 16:23:18 UTC
OP is right , everyone is quitting eve because of the T2 bpo's.Just the other day a ffew of my old eve friends told me :'Flakeys it is impossible to play this game and make isk without haveing a T2 bpo , we give up man and so should you'.

I'm doubting if i should quit or not , but while browsing the sell market i noticed T2 bpo sales and felt my heart pumping like mad , if i see this again i am sure i'll have a stroke so i am avoiding the sell forum for now.

OP , you got my sword.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-01-06 16:27:51 UTC
Paging Akita T, clean up in aisle 4.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#23 - 2012-01-06 16:29:54 UTC
flakeys wrote:
OP is right , everyone is quitting eve because of the T2 bpo's.Just the other day a ffew of my old eve friends told me :'Flakeys it is impossible to play this game and make isk without haveing a T2 bpo , we give up man and so should you'.

I'm doubting if i should quit or not , but while browsing the sell market i noticed T2 bpo sales and felt my heart pumping like mad , if i see this again i am sure i'll have a stroke so i am avoiding the sell forum for now.

OP , you got my sword.



No but it is a negative aspect of EVE that deters people entering the invention, manufacturing market. It's not fair that CCP Derped out by giving overtly expensive items for **** all.

How about a T3 BPO lottery? No as that would be unfair as the T2 one yet the T2 lottery items have yet to be removed. I guess CCP has all the fan boys it needs. 20k players and falling right now.
Mummas Boy
MASS
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2012-01-06 16:42:50 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Jes Visuit wrote:
Jumping on the dead horse wagon, it would seem to me that a sensible option is simply CCP using an alt to buy the T2 BPOs over time (i.e. subtly and naturally when players want to sell their BPOs, not a giant thread buying every BPO and hyper inflating the price) whenever they come up for sale and then quietly storing them away.

That way the BPO owner gets a 'fair deal' and the BPO problem goes away. In the real world someone in CCP's position would lose out, but being godly devs they can simply magically create the isk required for the purchase, so it's win - win bar the very minor inflation it may cause.



Why should they CCP handed out the TechII BPO's for nothing and so they should just take them back at the same price. THE BPO owners have gotten more than a fair deal by receiving billion isk items for practically nothing. As for those stupid enough to continue buying them, their loss, better to lose 1 player than many.



You are truly a clueless idiot.

I have never received a "free T2 BPO" but have worked hard, both with low end POS stuff, building and trading and actually bought my first T2 BPO last night.

I am not expecting to make loads of money with it really - much of the reason I have it is for the glee of saying I have one and to add it to my production portfolio.

I have worked damn hard to make the money I have now in Eve, and I have been massively stung with previous nerfs made by CCP (Supercap nerf for example - I have a Nyx BPO bought for 21b which I now cannot sell!).

My advice to you is stop moaning and start working more.
Aestivalis Saidrian
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#25 - 2012-01-06 17:40:50 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:
I... what are you on?

The T2 BPOs that are actually used are used by people who can actually use them. Large Alliances. They also just max researched them and now copy them. Copying jobs are much less time intensive then actually using them to make stuff.

If you wanna complain, complain about Invention in general.




You are aware of course that copying T2 BPOs (per license run) takes longer than manufacturing with a T2 BPO (per unit), right?

Additionally, T2 BPO copying takes additional materials. It isn't free like T1 BPO copying.

So anyone who cares about profit isn't going to use them for copying.



I did not know that.

Either way, I don't think T2 BPOs are particularly bad, since they more or less guarantee that those modules will remain on the market.

Invent Harder or Don't Bother seems to be the sentiment and I agree. Only reason why people seem to be making a killing off of T2 production is due to the fact that PI prices skyrocketed due to the awful change.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#26 - 2012-01-06 17:52:40 UTC
Mummas Boy wrote:

I have worked damn hard to make the money I have now in Eve, and I have been massively stung with previous nerfs made by CCP (Supercap nerf for example - I have a Nyx BPO bought for 21b which I now cannot sell!).

My advice to you is stop moaning and start working more.


i'll give you 100m ISK for itCool

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#27 - 2012-01-06 18:15:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
''If your at fanfest holding that sign ill cave your face in for being such an idiot

Adapt or Die

Space industries are srs business''


and that's a ban?

Not really I'm not bothered but I here Iceland is popular for Chess Boxing maybe we can compete if our weight ties in?
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#28 - 2012-01-06 18:21:56 UTC
op, props to you this is a fantastic way to start the new year

great thread, would read again, your responses are awesome
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-01-06 18:41:27 UTC
I know that when I was deciding whether or not to play EVE, the very first thing I did was check to see whether T2 BPO's existed. Nevermind that I didn't know what T2 meant or stood for or what the hell a BPO was.

Bokononist

 
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#30 - 2012-01-06 18:44:54 UTC
4/10.. got people to bite but cant give higher as its too easy to troll about t2 bpos.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#31 - 2012-01-06 18:57:48 UTC
Hey op, why no thread complaining about your lack of an armagedon imperial issue? I'd much rather have one of those to sell than a t2 bpo! At least a lot more people had a chance to win a t2 bpo.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#32 - 2012-01-06 19:02:24 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Hey op, why no thread complaining about your lack of an armagedon imperial issue? I'd much rather have one of those to sell than a t2 bpo! At least a lot more people had a chance to win a t2 bpo.


I've yet to find one at the gate of almost every sytems I jump in unlike a TECH II BPO which is at the end of a lot of invention jobs insta popping my success before I've even finished inventing nevermind manufacturing, offering no other alternative but to stop inventing in that item even if there is a market for it.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#33 - 2012-01-06 19:22:28 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Hey op, why no thread complaining about your lack of an armagedon imperial issue? I'd much rather have one of those to sell than a t2 bpo! At least a lot more people had a chance to win a t2 bpo.


I've yet to find one at the gate of almost every sytems I jump in unlike a TECH II BPO which is at the end of a lot of invention jobs insta popping my success before I've even finished inventing nevermind manufacturing, offering no other alternative but to stop inventing in that item even if there is a market for it.



so, just so we all know what item(s) to avoid, what are you inventing where the market is commanded by T2 BPO?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#34 - 2012-01-06 19:35:50 UTC
If the op says t2 armor plates, I will not stop laughing for days.
Roscada
We love Egg
#35 - 2012-01-06 19:44:18 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
T2 BPOs are irrelevant. They produce a mere fraction of the supply of anything used widely.


Not true. T2 BPOs are one of the primary sources of forum tears.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#36 - 2012-01-06 19:49:52 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
If the op says t2 armor plates, I will not stop laughing for days.



Shocked there are T2 armour plates?
[/fake shock]


One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-01-06 19:51:08 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
CCP Stem the flow of leaving players remove TECH II BPO even if you have to sacrifice some bitter vets who have not financially supported this game since PLEX became avalible.


I have known many people who have left EVE for many reasons, some which were external to the game, while others were due to the nature of EVE itself or the various hiccups CCP has been throwing our way, or just simple good old burnout.

However, I have yet to know of a single person who has left EVE because they could not live with the notion of T2 BPOs - not a single one.

So... where again is that flow of people leaving you are talking about?
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#38 - 2012-01-06 19:52:29 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
If the op says t2 armor plates, I will not stop laughing for days.



Shocked there are T2 armour plates?
[/fake shock]





Who ever got the T2 plate BPO did get the worst trolling that CCP has dished out, that much is true.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-01-06 19:54:56 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
If the op says t2 armor plates, I will not stop laughing for days.



Shocked there are T2 armour plates?
[/fake shock]





Who ever got the T2 plate BPO did get the worst trolling that CCP has dished out, that much is true.


Until... one day... CCP suddenly reworks them and they become the hottest item on Jita for the first few weeks (until invention guys catch up with the demand).

Granted, buying one of those BPOs right now is like buying junk bonds... yeah, you might get epic returns one day but most likely you are just pouring ISK into a black hole and buying a paperweight.
Tommy Shanks
#40 - 2012-01-06 20:01:14 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
As an active industrialist, t2 bpos have no impact on my inventions or construction. I have found t2 warp disruprs, warp scrams, heavy missile launchers, and bombers all to be more than profitable enough for my needs. Even scourge fury and scorch ammo is profitable through invention. I have done the math on other modules and ammo, and there is ample profit to be made.

So sorry, I view t2 bpos as a non entity. They have no impact on my business, so why should i care if the exist or not?

Heck, this is like being upset because you did not get a zephyr or another gift ship. Get over it, find a good niche for your industrial activities and move along.



Well I'm glad you find your niche i was looking to produce some items but found that the very cost of invetion at max skills was going to cost more isk than the market was currently selling at due to an owner of a TECH II BPO who has pretty much been given the right to print ISK by CCP.


What item? What market is this in? How much is the item selling for?

Me'thinks I smell profit out of all this bulllshit...