Science & Industry

When are CCP going to realise that removing TECH II BPO will increasce player numbers? Sure you might get some bitter Vet BPO owners rage quiting and dragging a couple of friends along but surely it's better to lose these players who do not pay to play than seeing hundreds of noobs rage quit after finding out the hard way about invention and how futile it is to compete against certain Tech II BPO's?

CCP Stem the flow of leaving players remove TECH II BPO even if you have to sacrifice some bitter vets who have not financially supported this game since PLEX became avalible.

MUST BEAT DEAD HORSE

T2 BPOs are irrelevant. They produce a mere fraction of the supply of anything used widely. And items not used widely are irrelevant as their demand is miniscule.

One T2 BPO can only produce on one production line. Yearly profits out of a T2 BPO are comparable to what you can milk out in a month from a much less capital-intensive manufacturing operations using invention. They just don't have the throughput.

If you are getting pushed out of a specific T2 product market due to BPO-using manufacturer, you are in a wrong market building a product that nobody wants to buy in any real quantity.

If you are one of those "I must build everything myself because that way it is free"-crowders, I suggest growing a brain. Your current one seems defective. ISK = stuff. Anything can be bought with ISK. Inability to build something isn't a problem - build something else and trade it for the stuff you can't build (using ISK as means of exchange).

...and if you are one of those who thinks it is unfair that someone can make ISK in the game, let me clue you in: The ISK made with T2 BPOs is peanuts. The real ISK comes from moon goo mining, specifically Technetium and Neodymium. Every T2 manufacturer needs complex reaction products that use these materials. A massive chunk of every T2 item price (BPO or Invented) flows to the owners of these moons.

And you can get these moons. Go attack them and put up your own tower. Just watch out for the pile of Titans and Motherships the current owner might drop on your head if you do so. Wear a hard hat and bring ships. Lots of ships.

T2 BPOs are not overpowered. You are bad at math and incapable of understanding how people actually make (large amounts of) ISK in this game.

Invention made T2 BPOs effectively obsolete and irrelevant. Yes, there are some corner cases (mostly I think in ammo and mining crystals) but those do not really matter in the grand scheme of things. Something like a Cap Recharger II BPO is not a license to print ISK - the profit out of owning one per month is far from impressive.

I give up. You are delusional.

(Besides, manufacturing does not generate ISK. It just moves it around - T2 BPOs do not "pump" ISK)

I wouldn't mind if they removed T2 BPOs but I also don't think they matter in the slightest. You underestimate the size of EVE market and overestimate the number of BPOs in active use (and the profit they produce)

Heck, I would love to see some stats from CCP that would actually prove what is commonly known; large number of T2 BPOs out there are gathering dust in some hangar, not being produced with.

80% of EVE players probably don't know what Tech II BPOs are! I rly don't think we would get more players if CCP announces to remove those :P

Jumping on the dead horse wagon, it would seem to me that a sensible option is simply CCP using an alt to buy the T2 BPOs over time (i.e. subtly and naturally when players want to sell their BPOs, not a giant thread buying every BPO and hyper inflating the price) whenever they come up for sale and then quietly storing them away.

That way the BPO owner gets a 'fair deal' and the BPO problem goes away. In the real world someone in CCP's position would lose out, but being godly devs they can simply magically create the isk required for the purchase, so it's win - win bar the very minor inflation it may cause.

Why should they CCP handed out the TechII BPO's for nothing and so they should just take them back at the same price. THE BPO owners have gotten more than a fair deal by receiving billion isk items for practically nothing. As for those stupid enough to continue buying them, their loss, better to lose 1 player than many.

Well I'm glad you find your niche i was looking to produce some items but found that the very cost of invetion at max skills was going to cost more isk than the market was currently selling at due to an owner of a TECH II BPO who has pretty much been given the right to print ISK by CCP.

If the niche you want is taken, stop being so stubborn and find a new one. Seriously, if you have this much trouble adapting, and your only action is to complain on the forums, you are not meant to be an industrialist. Change will happen. Heavy missiles could fall out of favor and I'm going to have to find a new niche.

Your niche is already filled. If you already invested isk, sorry. Learn the lesson of researching first. If you haven't invested, stop complaining on the forums and use your energy constructively to find a new profitable item. You could have easily found one by the time you made all these complaining posts.


As for your whole comment on stealing and t2 bpos being protected... Um... Get over it. My well researched bpo collection is also well protected. Corpmates could use them but not steal them. Why is that even an issue? Are you seriously upset because you can't easily rip someone off? If you are that bent on t2 bpos, go try infiltrating a corp that owns one. Otherwise, why not be like most everyone who adapts to the game instead if demanding the game adapts to you?

i invent 1000's of mods monthly and i after very small research have found items that are highly profitible. think its at about 250mil a day ish, depending whats cooking that day. if you can not find something to invent and make isk from you are not looking hard enough.
the system of invention works fine, granted there are some items i woudlnt invent due to low profitiblity, but that isnt because of a t2 bpo, its because that item isnt used and dosnt have the demand to support the few idiots that invent it without checking profitibilty. as i say to my kids 'use your noodle before you do anything daft'. they laugh as they get what i mean, i hope you do