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Why should ccp nerf incursions?

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Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-01-05 22:43:14 UTC
When you already have power yourself to go and do so.

So instead of playing forumpirate, push the undock button, get a fleet of 40 and go kill the mom. Do this three times/week and voila you have just nerfed high-sec incusrion income by 75%.

With the complainers together you should easily be able to get such a fleet. Or pay some other to do it for you.

Incursion are nerfable by players, now do so instead of complaining about fixing someone that isn't broken.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#2 - 2012-01-05 22:57:34 UTC
This is a bad post. You are not a special snowflake and do not need a special thread for your own spotlight; post in the thread that is actively discussing this.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#3 - 2012-01-05 23:36:47 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
This is a bad post. You are not a special snowflake and do not need a special thread for your own spotlight; post in the thread that is actively discussing this.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2012-01-06 00:05:46 UTC
Actually, if you guys did go out and kill the mom, thus ending the incursion and not allowing them to farm, you would be a. making isk b. causing much tears. Not a terrible idea.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-01-06 00:11:15 UTC
Gritz1 wrote:
Actually, if you guys did go out and kill the mom, thus ending the incursion and not allowing them to farm, you would be a. making isk b. causing much tears. Not a terrible idea.


LOL, but it's easier to bleat and moan in the forums. Yes, that could be done but it'd involve getting off their fat avatar asses, getting organised, and actually doing it. Way better to complain that others are profiting and deriving pleasure from their own efforts.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#6 - 2012-01-06 01:12:18 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Gritz1 wrote:
Actually, if you guys did go out and kill the mom, thus ending the incursion and not allowing them to farm, you would be a. making isk b. causing much tears. Not a terrible idea.


LOL, but it's easier to bleat and moan in the forums. Yes, that could be done but it'd involve getting off their fat avatar asses, getting organised, and actually doing it. Way better to complain that others are profiting and deriving pleasure from their own efforts.


You sound rather mad at the possibility of an incursion nerf.

Bias much?
Endeavour Starfleet
#7 - 2012-01-06 03:20:04 UTC
There is no incoming incursion nerf. They would have done it during late last year along with the other rebalancing efforts if it was an issue.

Incursions get people to log in and be social. They arent going to nerf that for the reasons I explained in the other topic. You are trusting your 2-3B isk craft to someone with a logi that may or may not be in a bad connection or not alert or drunk.

And there is a way for players themselves to nerf incursions as stated in this topic. Just be aware that the incursion runners keep an eye on the mom site and will likely blacklist anyone in an non approved mom busting fleet.

CCP knows Incursions are what they want to replace all hisec PVE with. Grouping is the future of EVE. Live with it or go to nullsec.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#8 - 2012-01-06 04:02:01 UTC
CCP knows the isk income from Incursions in high sec is stupid. Its the same sort of income that lead them to remove lvl 5 access from high sec.

But you're right. No nerf will come. Because right now CCP is still trying to dig themselves out of the hole they dug in the past year. Modifying incursions would just screw up that work.

That doesn't mean incursion income for the risk involved isn't a joke.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#9 - 2012-01-06 04:04:21 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Gritz1 wrote:
Actually, if you guys did go out and kill the mom, thus ending the incursion and not allowing them to farm, you would be a. making isk b. causing much tears. Not a terrible idea.


LOL, but it's easier to bleat and moan in the forums. Yes, that could be done but it'd involve getting off their fat avatar asses, getting organised, and actually doing it. Way better to complain that others are profiting and deriving pleasure from their own efforts.


You sound rather mad at the possibility of an incursion nerf.

Bias much?

Pot, meet kettle.
Spineker
#10 - 2012-01-06 05:10:53 UTC
They should only stop farming, I don't think that is a nerf as much as bringing them inline with everything else in Eve. How happy would Explorers be if their find rescanned over and over until they were satisfied? Ratting is different but easy endless respawning cash is so Anti-Eve. Would you complain if Worlds Collide respawned after every clearing?
Spineker
#11 - 2012-01-06 05:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
Emperor Salazar wrote:
CCP knows the isk income from Incursions in high sec is stupid. Its the same sort of income that lead them to remove lvl 5 access from high sec.

But you're right. No nerf will come. Because right now CCP is still trying to dig themselves out of the hole they dug in the past year. Modifying incursions would just screw up that work.

That doesn't mean incursion income for the risk involved isn't a joke.



True they are not going to **** anyone off even if it is needed. They have done much in the last few months though to gain a lot of cards to play. Hopefully we will see some bats soon.

At least they learned and said WOW we are ******* up here!
Goose99
#12 - 2012-01-06 05:23:47 UTC
Moon goo should be nerfed.Bear
Endeavour Starfleet
#13 - 2012-01-06 05:28:04 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
CCP knows the isk income from Incursions in high sec is stupid. Its the same sort of income that lead them to remove lvl 5 access from high sec.

But you're right. No nerf will come. Because right now CCP is still trying to dig themselves out of the hole they dug in the past year. Modifying incursions would just screw up that work.

That doesn't mean incursion income for the risk involved isn't a joke.


If that was true they would say nothing on the subject. Instead they said a LONG time ago they are monitoring incursions and would take action if needed.

We have had 2 expansions in the meantime....

Moving 5s out to low and nullsec were to increase populations in those areas. That was a valid reason to move them as many did them solo with an alt account.

You can multibox an incursion but by the time you get done you are going to be a mess physically. I would think that winning a worldwide starcraft tourney would be easier.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-01-06 05:46:00 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:

You sound rather mad at the possibility of an incursion nerf.


LOL. What possibility?

The only incursion nerf out there atm is in the minds of some people who want to try dictate and control the game play of others.

My comment was directed at the fact that what the previous poster had suggested was entirely correct ... but that I thought it rather unlikely to actually happen because the whoaners and miners would prefer to moan and whine than actually do something constructive, or even majorly destructive for that matter.

Easier to bleat than to actually do something.

Don't like incursions? Dont like other people enjoying or profiting from incursions? Get your uber-gang out and blitz all those evil incursion mum sites like the fellow suggested. Go on, extract tears, do it. Or is this just a big-talk fest?

Incursions are not broken. The only broken is the bitter twisted folk who want to control the game play of others.

As for biased. hell yes. I enjoy eve, and I occasionally run incursions. I reckon even is pretty darn good and incursions a reasonable way to pass time when i am stuck in hisec for a while.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

CeneUJiti
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-01-06 11:24:38 UTC
CCP should nerf hisec incursions so that neat streams of incursions runners in their faction and deadspace fit T3s and pirate BSes should line up on lowsec gates waiting to be ganked and looted. There is no single other reason. Hisec incursiosn are already nerfed; lowsec and 00 ones pay 66% more by default.
Heun zero
MAYHEM BOYZ
#16 - 2012-01-06 11:47:53 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Just be aware that the incursion runners keep an eye on the mom site and will likely blacklist anyone in an non approved mom busting fleet.


This is most definetly one of the arrogant things i've seen the eve community do in my 4 years of experience. I know it's a way of protecting your income, but to me it seems like people act out of some form of Self-righteousness because they think they incursions belong to them somehow. And someone else doesnt have the right to kill their mom.....

I'm oneof the players who rides the incursion train to more riches then i've seen before in my eve life and I think vanguards should get nerfed because of that.

The idea the original poster has sounds like a decent one to me though. But as others have posted before me this idea needs action not just forum posts, otherwise you're doing exactly what all the rest is doing, just cry about incursions needing a nerf while you ould take matters in your own hand.

So OP if you or anyone else wants to organise a group of ppl to kill a mom and cut incursions short, send me a mail we'll get some work done.

Only problem I see with this is that you also affect scout/assault and HQ sites, which are'nt (as) inbalanced as the vanguard sites
J Kunjeh
#17 - 2012-01-06 12:32:44 UTC
Heun zero wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Just be aware that the incursion runners keep an eye on the mom site and will likely blacklist anyone in an non approved mom busting fleet.


This is most definetly one of the arrogant things i've seen the eve community do in my 4 years of experience. I know it's a way of protecting your income, but to me it seems like people act out of some form of Self-righteousness because they think they incursions belong to them somehow. And someone else doesnt have the right to kill their mom.....


Dead on. I really, really, really hope a handful of gangs start griefing the Incursion runners and consistently take down the mom sites as soon as they pop up. I can't stand this kind of protectionist, farming "gameplay". Death to Incursion farmers!

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#18 - 2012-01-06 13:02:59 UTC
The "official way" rewards might be ok, but the farm-ability might be not.

CCP will indeed monitor how it goes, they work by quarters so don't expect immediate action if not after 1+ years.

Due to players wallets segregation (money does not circulate very easily between players) it might result not too bad to keep incursions as is. Only if it becomes a mainstream I WIN button it will be nerfed. Like L4/5 were.
Lady Aja
#19 - 2012-01-06 16:08:46 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
When you already have power yourself to go and do so.

So instead of playing forumpirate, push the undock button, get a fleet of 40 and go kill the mom. Do this three times/week and voila you have just nerfed high-sec incusrion income by 75%.

With the complainers together you should easily be able to get such a fleet. Or pay some other to do it for you.

Incursion are nerfable by players, now do so instead of complaining about fixing someone that isn't broken.



its not killing the end boss that people are complaining about and you know it... so stop trolling.
where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!!
CeneUJiti
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-01-06 16:51:33 UTC
No you are a troll, or dim. If you kill the mothership the incursion ends and no more VGs to blitz. You grief VG farmers and earn money from it.
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