Missions & Complexes

They are fine as is. They do not need to be changed. The risk is huge for the reward.

There is admittedly a risk if you fly 1bil+ fits, but anything cheaper than that gets paid back so many times over compared to l4s that it can't be described as much of a risk.

However, the way CCP has gone about incursions is exactly the right way. Income that is better than L4s, accessible to all users, and based on group only content, and big enough to discourage multiboxing as a standard preferred solution. L4s being superceded was better for the game than L4s being nerfed.

Incursions should be left as is, and further large scale group pve (imo scaled for capitals and including null relevant rewards), should be added to null.

I already explained the risks with hisec incursions. You can choose to ignore them if you want but there is already a big nerf on hisec incursions as compared to nullsec. They arent going to nerf them any more.

Some are butthurt because there is a way to make money that isn't being a meat shield in a nullsec alliance. And better yet it is social! And encourages group play. THE HORROR.

Changing incursions is NOT the answer. POS and corp modularity to encourage nullsec corps to recruit more and faction warfare changes will lower the hisec population. You nerf incursions and people will just go back to their lvl4 agents.

GUYS HES IN TEST, A 0.0 ALLIANCE, HE MUST REPRESENT THEIR OFFICIAL WORD. HE IS DEFINITELY THEIR SPOKESPERSON

you are literally saying that the risk is the potential for large alliances to co*ck block you

I don't even know what to say to that....thats not risk...thats just stupid

As for the risks you outlined, they basically boil down to:

poor internet
crappy pilots
other incompetence

These aren't risks. They're just eve players sucking.

Players sucking = Huge risk for you. Maybe not to Test or goons that are used to chickens running around with their heads off. But for limited incursion fleets with limited logi chain support is is VERY bad. Look at BTL Pub and you will find tales of people losing their pimped ships to a drunk logi pilot.

The vastly increased risk on your good stuff is what nets you more funds. Which are 60 percent (Already vastly nerfed) compared to nullsec.

BTW as for your stuff about not representing your alliance. You are not using a posting alt. You are using your main or whatever alt your in Test with so you are using that like it gives you authority on the subject. I don't know what rules your alliance has on that (Every one I have ever been in demands you use a posting alt) but when I see you posting as a main I take it as atleast the feeling from your alliance.

Because alliances are suffering from incursions. Now when they say "Join us for a 12 hour spree of defending someone elses station or TCUs or log the **** out" Members are saying "Okay!" and going for incursions on an alt. Alliances are not used to having anything but near complete control over their member's activities and now there is something that competes with their political BS known as "grouping"

So we have 3 groups that are against Incursions for all the wrong reasons.

#1 Fools on forums who have never been in a serious incursion fleet or watched BTL Pub for hours for stories: This is the majority of the calls out there. People who are stuck in a system with an AFK cloaker and want something to moan about.

#2 ""Shiny Fleet"" Incursion runners who are beyond care for other types: I saw this alot today in the BTL Pub channel and an in my opinion full of BS blog report on Evenews24. Their desire for Vanguard nerfing is obvious. Many HIGHLY HIGHLY expensive shiny fleets will almost always win a contest with any even well managed nonshiny fleet. With a nerf the nonshiny fleets will just about vanish and they will get to enjoy higher LP prices while the rest of EVE remains the same. Back to LVL4 missions.

#3 (And worse of all) Heads of Alliances I noted this earlier. Incursions weaken their grip of power over their members. This especially hurts those without proper SRPs (The ones that pocket moon goo funds or use it on a good ole boy club only) The bits about ruining logistics is BS. They have more than enough members to organize a very quick pop of incursions in their space. Many do not tho because introducing members to incursions could mean even less power. So they sit and whine instead.

CCP Knows this and this is why they will not be nerfed.

OMG I agree with Salazar!

You forgot to take your tablets this morning, didn't you?

Nerfin the only enjoyable highsec thing in eve sounds like a bad idea. Im the kinda player that logs in 2-6 times a month due to time limitations, Incursions are the only thing that kept my gametime rolling.

They are social group action where you actually can go and find a fleet in reasonable time (in a proper suitable ship) and go do some isk and actually enjoy the game.

Ruining the highsec incursions due to dim ideas like "Oh yeah 100% of the incursion players would totally go to lowsec if they had to" would be very unfortunate. Those are the wet dreams of a guy sitting in some low-high gate waiting for some newguy pop in with a badger full of planetarystuff.

Going back to level 4 missions personally would mean a sub off ... I doubt any sane person actually enjoys grinding those over and over and over again all alone. Maybe im wrong and EVE is actually the hometown of foreveralone guys.

Incursions do indeed make isks at fairly low risk, but instead of risk you get competition.

Non-shiny fleet will take 10-15 minutes to do a site, while shiny fleets with good FC's with high skilled pilots could do them in 3-6 minutes.

With more and more people turning to incursions, the areas become more crowded while the number of sites available at a time remain constant.

People must compete over who gets the reward from the site, the winner gets paid, the other fleets that come in gain nothing for the work they put in.

To be competitive, most competent fleets will accept only shiny ships with atleast faction or t2 weapons and tank. Navy/Pirate Faction and t2 Battleships, T3 Cruisers, Command Ships, Logistics Level 5 and maybe 4 are the what is desired. If you're not flying any of these the chances of you getting in a good fleet is rather low. If you get accept you will mostly get accepted into a crap fleet with FC's who don't know **** and get everyone killed.

Now the next thing that is wanted is your fitting and modules. If you can't use Tech 2 weapons or atleast fit faction, you chances greatly drop from there, nothing looks worse than having a nice machariels with meta 4 or lower guns on it. Faction or Tech 2 Tank is mandatory, if you can't do that you are worthless as you will die.

Incursions will weed out the poor and skillless pilots and be run exclusively by the rich and skilled pilots with better organization.

TLDR: Limit only to ONE Incursion area for High Sec and reduce the number of sites available at once until the previous ones are cleared.

This will emphasis competition even more and prevent incursions from generating too much isk as it will fall into fewer hands.