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Except the AB bonus has been tried, tested, and was determined to be completely broken.

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ROFL! Thought I was crazy. However, I think I'm witnessing true crazy (Inhalant abuse).

Embodiment of delusional and perverse empirical thought. Une question qui anime parfois me brumeuse: suis-je ou sont les autres fous? Heh! Some may believe I'm facetious (contrarian). However, this game is mired with Pseudo-intellectuals.

The possible dislocation and implications can only be quantified threw a prism (possible set-ups). One can only postulate, with a focal point (ship slot layout, hit-points, velocity, weapon system, scan resolution, targeting range and ship bonuses). I'm a observer of facts. Not, Absolute positions, relative to a series of changes in a dynamic environment. None linear, multi subset (web). In what is a complete maw of data. Does fitting tools, not aggregate game data, which is indisputable fact (unless out of date)? A Dramiel without weapon modules cannot do damage (in-game). Without a propulsion module. Is a Dramiel superior to a Vengeance, with a propulsion module?

Set-ups proffer contrast. How else could you come to a determination that x (sans) is superior to y? Facts unravel ignorance. A set-up is FACT IN-GAME and determines contrast. Contrast = comparison in respect to x (difference). How else does a pilot determine what is and what is not overpowered (preach)? Ships + modules = limited possibilities and comparisons Bla bla bla ETC.

This thread is a joke... Come @ me BRO! \0/

I'll post this again, because CCP is trying to censor me.



-proxyyyy

Only someone with a bad argument tries to hide it behind justification of intellect.

I understand. While these changes will increase assault frigates viability in fleet engagements to that of a cruiser. My changes were in no way geared to making that viable. With these changes. Alot of assault frigates will be viable in fleets, with large tanks.

My intent. Is to Keep the dynamics on the lower level. Accepting the fact that frigates are throw away ships in large engagements and any frigate can fill that role.

My changes were not geared towards low sec or null sec. It was focused on keeping the rock paper scissors in the frigate engagement envelope. How the class interacts with other frigates, destroyers and to a lesser extent cruisers/battle-cruisers.

I removed the sig reduction bonus, because it encroached into Interceptors purview. The changes would still be significant.


-proxyyyy

WTF are you on about? Anyway, there has been no argument for or against a boost to afterburners on page 38 until you decided to bring it up. Good luck, with that. I was one of the first pilots to argue against it when that stuff was first thrown about.


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-proxyyyy

Did you even read the posts on page 38? Ofcourse there is discussion on ABs before I got there, its what I was replying to.

Damage is a requirement for player versus player. While it's a factor. When does one ship start to do something that completely overshadows all other ships in its class and other classes? When the answer is to bring one ship or class. Does that not destroy the rock paper scissors (variety). Once another class of ship is made obsolete, because another class of ship. Is able to do the same @ around the same cost, but is superior in another class of ship engagement ranges. When does that become a problem? That is almost what every other post in ships & modules is about.

Battle-cruisers > everything

When you're repeating a past mistake. Is that not crazy? Especially if you expect a different result.



-proxyyyy

My mistake. You were responding to another pilots reference to a argument that he believed was for a afterburner boost (he was infact arguing that assault frigates would encroach on the interceptor class). Which was not the case. That said. You're technically correct! I apologies.

Giving assault frigates a bonus to afterburners would damage other classes of ships. Making them overpowered, just like CCP's proposed changes in this thread. Has alot to do with relative velocities of cruiser and battle-cruisers man. Just not a good move on smaller scale engagements.


-proxyyyy

True! However, the propose changes to assault frigates will enable them to do just as much as Interceptors and go even further. I would not have a serious issue with the role bonus if it did not enter Interceptors purview. Otherwise I would just be focusing on slot amount and tank. Arguing, to keep assault frigates defences limited and focus on assault frigates doing destroyer level damage, with frigate tank.

That is the same as Heavy assault cruisers and battle-cruisers. Heavy assault cruisers have the damage of battle-cruisers, but the tank of cruisers. It's possible for lower classes of ships to engage them effectively and upper classes of ships.

However, I don't disagree with much of what you just said. My arguments are directed towards the relationship between ship classes and how these changes will effect them (not will. does effect them on the test server). All fact...


-proxyyyy

1) Thank you for the mid on the retribution. I am a bit worried about a optimal and tracking boost on a laser ship. Scorch plus the ability to swap to muliti in a second make this ship dangerous from all ranges when you give it a tracking boost.
2) Prom its a bad idea to go head to head with Wensly on anything concerning any frigate.
3) Not to worried about the mwd boost. it is kind of annoying that they could not think of something that benefits everyone but hey I cant either. I will still be fitting abs on my afs the same as i do my interceptors.
4) (correct me if I’m wrong) but I thought i read that a boost to null(ammo) will be released at the same time as the next patch this combined with a web will make the enyo pretty ridiculous. Great damage Great Tracking and now with range control and the ability to hit at that range.
5) to the people complaining about the wolf not getting a mid, falloff..falloff..falloff
6) Afs are hard to kill in bigger ships....when you don’t have webs neuts or small drones. oddly enough t1 frigs are hard to kill without those things as well.

My final verdict (for what little its worth)- Mid on the Retribution was necessary, the mwd sig reduction necessary (0.0 people cry about everything), everything else seems like a bit much. I fly assault frigs pretty regularly and I never feel like they are underpowered.(note-I dont fly ugly missile spewing shield tank boats named after birds)