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I wasn't using Hobgoblins..
I was using Warriors & Acolytes, and Anja wasn't shooting kinetic at me

Yeah, sorry, it was Acolytes. My mistake.

That is almost the same fit I was using, with the exception of a DCU rather than a shield power relay and some named metas instead of Tech II.

Go log in and duel him.

I am really wondering that you even tried to shot his LIGHT drones with ROCKETS. This is the only case where shooting the drones is stupid... does not matter which drones were used, shooting them with rockets in that fit was not a good move because you want to maintain range with the webs. you know, light drones have interceptor like signature and awesome base speed, you will scratch them at best unless you dual web the drones instead which makes your fit kind of pointless. I guess you kept webs on the ishkur and tried to kill his drones but you barely scratched them and thus he was able to wear your shields down.

2 out of 6 AS have difficulties shooting down light drones due to the weapon system (which was actually obvious anyway) but now try to shoot the drones with any turret based AS and they will melt fast.

One web on him, one web on drone. Didn't seem to have much too difficulty staying out at range once established though! I'll find him and specifically run an go when ignoring the drones. You know, test it. On sisi where the changes are ;)

After extensive testing of a Hawk against various AFs Prom was piloting I have to admit my concerns were largely disposed.
Hawk will indeed be very powerful AF, but as Prom have proved to me, its far from being unbeatable.
I have to admit as well that Iam not a Hawk specialist (in sense of flying that ship - i had all related skills at 5 during the testing however). So if anybody has the extensive experience with Hawks feel free to prove me wrong.

Iam still convinced, that AFs would do better without the changes, but Prom have proved to me that those changes are making some sense.

HG Snakes and Halos are not uncommon on existing 'ceptor/Dram pilots
Links are not uncommon
Disruptor range (cheap pimping) can outstrip inty lock range
I never said anything about imbalance.

That said the range+tank+speed/sig make it an interesting alternative to an inty in some cases. Definately not all cases.

Stop being so touchy. This actually highlights a use that was previously not possible due to sig explosion. It helps your cause

Here are some conservative changes to assault frigates. These changes keep all other classes of frigates in mind. For example: navy faction, pirate faction and Interceptor will be capable of engaging assault frigates as effectively as they can now. Keeping rock paper scissors. Instead of assault frigate = everything... I'm interested in other pilots ideas of what changes to assault frigates should look like. If you could please use the fromat below. That would be pretty cool.


ASSAULT FRIGATE:

Role bonus: 50% bonus to Capacitor

Retribution

Added bonus: 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret tracking speed per skill level.
Remove (- 1) High slot
+1 mid slot
+15 CPU

Slower than a Slicer, but has better defences, damage and tracking.


Vengance

Added bonus: 5% bonus to missile explosion velocity
+10 CPU

There's not much you can do to this ship without making it overwelming. However, increasing applied damage threw increased explosion velocity seems good.

Harpy

Added bonus: -5% bonus to shield resistances
+10 CPU

Serious defensive ability, projected and applied damage. Looks good too, which is pretty important...

Hawk

Added bonus: 5% bonus to missile explosion velocity
Remove - 1 High slot
+1 mid slot
+10 CPU

The Hawk should be allowed to keep it's defensive ability. However, increasing applied damage threw increased explosion velocity. Will not limit this ship versus other frigates, in anyway.

Enyo

Added bonus: +5% damage changed to 10% bonus to damage
Remove - 1 low slot
+1 mid slot
+10 CPU
+ 5 powergrid

Midslot and damage stays. However, this ship defensive ability has been reduced. Although, CPU and Powergrid are increased for flexibility in fittings.

Ishkur

Added bonus: 10% bonus to drone hitpoints per level
Drone bay increased by 25m3
+10 CPU

Reduced this ships defensive capabilities and increased versatility. By increasing drone bay.

Jaguar

Added bonus: 7.5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Tracking per level
+15 CPU
7 powergrid

CPU and Powergrid are increased for flexibility in fittings. Tracking is a GO!

Wolf

Added bonus: 7.5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret Tracking per level
+12 CPU
+ 7 powergrid

CPU and Powergrid are increased for flexibility in fittings. Tracking is a GO!


THOUGHTS!? (perferably from pilots who're not Prometheus Exenthal (not to be rude)


-proxyyyy

I think you're missing the point of AFs.
AF > frigates already. If you can't see that, then you're a little lost and shouldn't be proposing anything anyways.

All you're doing is making them better at killing other frigates, which serves no purpose when Destroyers already fill that role better. AFs are slow, fat, expensive, and tanky. Those aren't things that add up to anti-frigate work.

Destroyers already do everything you're trying to achieve, for a fraction of the cost in both terms of SP and ISK.
Who in their right mind wants to spend 700% more on a T2 Rifter when it only does Rifter things * slightly* better, but worse than a Thrasher.

Navy are T1 ships, not comparable to AFs. They already win in some matchups, depending on the ships used.
They have been discussed to death already, they're fine. Interceptors are a different role entirely and shouldn't even be considered as comparable when it comes to combat. Pirate frigates (Succubus/Cruor/Worm) need work period, this goes without saying even without the AF changes. The Dramiel & Daredevil both remain very good ships, and even the Cruor is half-decent in some matchups.

As for the changes you're adding, you're all over the place.
For one, you're giving the Enyo more dps but an cripplingly weak tank. You've made it completley useless and it will get shredded by any frigate that can do explosive or em damage. You also want to give it grid and cpu, when it already has no trouble with fitting. You make no sense

Secondly, you've totally missed the mark with the Vengeance & Hawk. Not only are they remaining the lowest damage AFs (by far), you're giving them a fairly useless bonus. The Vengeance doesn't have trouble hitting targets, the explosion velocity bonus simply means you want people to forgo a web and put a massive tank on the thing, without sacrificing anything. The same applies for the Hawk. The only reason it would need that explosion velocity bonus is because it was LACKING a mid slot. You've given it the mid slot, and you've given it the bonus. And once again, by removing its utility high, you're implying that people should be fitting an obscene tank on the ship, without sacrificing its damage application.

You've also gimped the Retribution into uselessness. The utility high slot is perfect for a nos or neut in pvp, or tractorbeam/salvager/prober for pve or exploration. That ability to fit a nos keeps the ship alive against any ship with a neut. On top of that you want to add another turret without increasing its powergrid, and further reducing its tank ability.
The only reason the Zealot (barely) works is because of its operating range and the fact that it's a cruiser.

You've also done very little to improve the Harpy. The ship is incredibly tight to fit reasonably which CCPs low slot fixes.
All you've done is increase its tank and nothing else. It's still slow, fat and inadequate compared to a ship like the Ishkur.

You're also missing the point with the Jaguar. It doesn't need all that extra fitting when you aren't adding any extra slots to the ships. And for the Wolf, you want to add powergrid over CPU. I don't think people who are fitting 400mm plates (with ease) need to have more powergrid. Once again, you make no sense

And on top of all of this, none of this (role bonus included) solves the inherit problems with AFs.
They are fat, immobile, and ineffecitve against larger targets.
They are not frigate hunters, they already destroy frigates on TQ.

And as for not wanting my input, deal with it.
Nobody wants to see you're terrible attempts at fitment (which your changes would hugely benefit from), and I deal with them and have discredited their usefulness in *actual* pvp. By your standards, everything T2 (Cruisers, BC, BS) should all be weaker so they are balanced with their T1 versions. That a terrible idea that completely devalues T2 ships significantly. Get your head out of EFT, and go try out the actual changes.

What changes would you like to see to assault frigates?