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Why does it matter if people are isk rich?
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Arbiter Reformed
I Have a Plan
Shadow Cartel
#81 - 2012-01-07 03:27:57 UTC
Ira Theos wrote:
Ocih wrote:
This is all symptomatic though. Making ISK be it in Incursions, WH, low sec or where ever. That's not the problem.

Over 8 years, CCP have nerfed, nerfed and nerfed again. They do this based on the amount of ISK in the game. None of that nerfing has worked though because it isn't removing the ISK from the game. We see EVE as a spreadsheet in Space, so do CCP. They need to figure out how to pry those trillions of ISK out of the alliance wallets. They need to make those alliances want to spend that money though. Nerfs won't work. They need more content that will matter to those alliances.

The reason it needs to be done is to allow CCP to see with thier spreadsheets how much ISK is needed. They can't do that with static ISK clouding the spreadsheets.

Why did we get handed L3 battle cruisers?

Want an Idea, CCP? Real player R&D. Allow Goons to make a Goon supercap. Through R&D that takes alot of money to research. Allow them to make thier own player agents (us) and allow them to create prototype BPC's that can then be either used or copied say 5 copies per prototype with more material added?

Make it a sink, not an ISK trade, make it realistic to get it done. Make it worth it.
Real crafting in EVE anyone?


Careful Ocih, if you give them a great idea like that, they might actually improve the game, and we can't allow that now can we?


Ti3 bc were just a way to get people back,

pvp just isnt the isk sink it used to be,casual pvpers need less isk and buy less plex
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#82 - 2012-01-07 03:36:49 UTC
Scortched Merc wrote:
I still want to know what is considered rich in this game...

1bil?
5bil?
10bil?
25bil?
How ever much Chirbba has?



You have to take a look at external sites to figure out all the implications and all the conclusions you have to consider.

Look about sites selling SC's Titans and even ships/minerals/bpc's whatever for real money

Look at some Killboards giving you the exact amount in US$ or EU€ for "x" Km or "y" LM

Then, think about the game as it stands, the bot blahblah, the moon goo blahblah and alike, take another look at the game once you've done your researches and figured out it's a big business for far more people than CCP it self.

Just take a good look on the internet and have IRL laughs.
Pestilent Industries
Doomheim
#83 - 2012-01-07 04:24:13 UTC
I have 45B isk and my account is paid via plex until Feb 2014. I know there are like thousands of people with so much more than myself, but I personally feel rich *****.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#84 - 2012-01-07 06:23:59 UTC
Dumb hobos have to grind for a mediocre amount of isk by being online. Often unsuccessfully.

Smart people get paid to be offline. The smart ones tend to play eve for isk.

What we do with isk is our business. ;)

Yay supercaps

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Forum Fighter
Doomheim
#85 - 2012-01-07 06:42:25 UTC
So you can reimburse Rifter's for your alliance at 100% to win their hearts and minds while you quit your job, buy a house and travel the world off of the RMT profits as a pseudo-intellectual video game blogger .


Winning.

Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil Hat™
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#86 - 2012-01-07 15:45:00 UTC
Mardero wrote:
Funny thing is, that ISK don't even belong to you. CCP can take it away any time per the EULA, and not even have to explain anything.



While this is true, the ironclad grip CCP used to have with there EULA has somewhat diminshed legally. By accepting an exchange between real world currency and ingame currency I feel it does open them to more legal challenges.

Ie getting barred is one thing, getting barred with £100 worth of plex on account with no recourse to refund is questionable considering trading standards law.

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#87 - 2012-01-08 08:35:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Professor Alphane wrote:


Ie getting barred is one thing, getting barred with £100 worth of plex on account with no recourse to refund is questionable considering trading standards law.


CCP is never obliged to keep the EVE game servers running. EVE could go dark at any time. It will go dark the minute CCP decides it's no longer profitable for them. Or if CCP was sold to a competitor who just buys it to shut it down - EA style. I've had it happen to me before with GameStorm.

So please don't believe that CCP is obliged to you in any way. They offer a service which is the game, and for that they charge a monthly subscription fee. Your best argument would be if you have paid months/years in advance and want to be refunded. The rest would have no argument. IANAL but I think you'd have to prove that EVE was somehow trying to scam you. But just like if you order an expensive meal in a restaurant and before they bring it start verbally abusing other customers, I think that as you are forcibly removed from the restaurant you are going to have a hard time getting your steak and bottles of wine, even if you had paid up front. Possibly not the best analogy since the restaurants that charge up front usually aren't that good anyway but still. It's like if you get removed from a plane for being drunk and aggressive and miss your flight. The airline will, when you are sober, offer to sell you another ticket I'm sure.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#88 - 2012-01-08 12:58:31 UTC
I would see it more as going into a clothes shop buying an expensive jacket, if security then ejected you without said jacket then they would be responsible regardless of the reasons for your ejection.

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#89 - 2012-01-08 13:57:53 UTC
Kelsi Corynn wrote:
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
easy isk doesn't result in people being any richer, it only results in prices being higher.


That's been true for some items, but the overall price indexes have remained pretty flat, despite the amount of ISK in the game continuing to increase.



The best indicator of this would be plex prices.

Anyway the important thing is that the pve in this game should be somewhat balanced. Why?

Because often the pve is sort of a grind. But at least if you can make decent isk at different types of pve you can at least switch it up. If one form of pve pays so much higher than all the rest you have a problem. The problem is (unless you are the sort of person who can do the same boring repetitive thing again and again hours days and weeks on end) you will either get burned out, or you will switch to some other source of income and find you are wasting allot of time compared to those doing the pve golden child. Both tend to make people think eve is no longer worthwhile.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Ira Theos
#90 - 2012-01-08 16:40:48 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Scortched Merc wrote:
I still want to know what is considered rich in this game...

1bil?
5bil?
10bil?
25bil?
How ever much Chirbba has?



You have to take a look at external sites to figure out all the implications and all the conclusions you have to consider.

Look about sites selling SC's Titans and even ships/minerals/bpc's whatever for real money

Look at some Killboards giving you the exact amount in US$ or EU€ for "x" Km or "y" LM

Then, think about the game as it stands, the bot blahblah, the moon goo blahblah and alike, take another look at the game once you've done your researches and figured out it's a big business for far more people than CCP it self.

Just take a good look on the internet and have IRL laughs.


Shhh! We're not supposed to talk about that sort of thing.
Sed Man
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-01-09 12:46:13 UTC
I wonder what would happen if they removed all loot drop from missions, had BS spawns in highsec belts (0.5->0.8) with no bounties. Better ore types in small quantities. Would that even remotely help mining ? Cause lets face it, theres not many MINING corporations doing to well in empire now is there ?

I know many people who dont PvP cause they dont want to spend 2 months in an asteroid belt mining to afford a new ship.
and please, don't say pvp in a frig or cruiser, ya'll know as well as me that 99% of PvP is not with low end gear.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#92 - 2012-01-09 15:36:39 UTC
Sed Man wrote:
I wonder what would happen if they removed all loot drop from missions, had BS spawns in highsec belts (0.5->0.8) with no bounties. Better ore types in small quantities. Would that even remotely help mining ? Cause lets face it, theres not many MINING corporations doing to well in empire now is there ?

I know many people who dont PvP cause they dont want to spend 2 months in an asteroid belt mining to afford a new ship.
and please, don't say pvp in a frig or cruiser, ya'll know as well as me that 99% of PvP is not with low end gear.



It's certainly not for those Hulk and Mackinaw pilots considered has "bots" by all the royal RMT alliances and their friends.

And for those blablah "missions in high sec is 150M/h" well you should get a life maybe a real job meet a nice girl and learn how to make babies for real, I'm quite sure there are a lot of hungry girls out there.