EVE General Discussion

As in real life it's much more fun to be rich in Eve - you can have more shiny things, take bigger risks with them (why yes I will PvP with my faction fit battleship instead of treating it like a precious treasure and just ship spinning with it). What's more if money is easy to come by then you don't need to do the boring grind stuff (ie. *working*) you can spend more time messing about and having a good time doing fun things (ie. *playing*).

and yet this forum is full of people moaning that it's too easy to make money!

Why is this?

is that because you see the accumulation of isk as the end game and the ability to do that easily spoils it for you, because it *should* be a challenge?

Is it because you have a lot of wealth earned when it was hard to come by and therefore it's irritating to see upstarts getting all the advantages without the effort? or I guess that those advantages are being erroded

or is it that isk isn't quite as easy to come by as this forum makes out and the moaning is from people who perceive others to be making isk hand over fist and are for want of a better word: jealous?

or is there something I am missing?

(and please don't start going on about how mining is some noble profession and is now not viable any more or missioning is not rewarded well - if you *enjoy* mining or repeating missions over and over as you profess then surely its the doing of it and not the rewards you are after)

As is the case with real life as well:

Everyone always thinks that everyone else has more money than they do.

This. Just like higher mining yields just depress mineral prices and thus do not increase mining income. And so on and so forth.

Have you seen the PLEX price whines? And prices have risen a fair bit, though without the quarterly economic report it's hard to check a fair bit.

In addition the income inflation is not uniform across the playerbase, it's new high income activities focused in Hisec.

That's been true for some items, but the overall price indexes have remained pretty flat, despite the amount of ISK in the game continuing to increase.



Much of which in turn ends up in the pockets of alliance leadership via moongoo stranglehold, but the average rank and file nullseccer never sees this income except in the form of ship programs or paid logistics fees, if they're lucky.

Moon goo doesn't cause any inflation. It does not produce any isk.

I don't buy this at all.

I don't PvP because it's going to hurt me - I PvP because it's unpredictable and thrilling, because it's pitting your wits against another human being (and I enjoy fighting smarter people even when I loose than I do the dumb kills).

When I lose a ship it's a lesson to be learned. A challenge to rise to. I couldn't care less about the isk - that's just an annoyance. (and I agree that there should be some inertia - ie. some cost because otherwise it does have less meaning. but that cost doesn't need to be painful)

Spot on. It's the subjective value of things that is being decreased through the ease of making isk.

Price inflation hasn't really kept up with this increase as the supply side is distorted by things like bots, which don't care how much (or little) they get in return for their efforts.

Candy is right. The very real risk of loss (or achievement) is what makes the eve experience so intense. The less subjective value these things have, the more trivialized and boring the gaming experience gets.

Proof: Look at SiSi. You can have as much pvp as you want at virtually no cost. It's completely boring because it's meaningless and because there is no real risk of losing anything valuable.

You will note that I agreed that there should be *some* cost to a loss so I'm not disputing that.

It should be apparent though if the increased supply of isk has reduced PvP via the various killboards. I wonder if they have graphs of activity over time (would be trivial for them to create from their DBs even if they don't)

I think it's safe to assume that the increase in ISK supply is not detrimental to pvp in itself, as less effort is required to replace a ship. People are just switching to more expensive ships. But to keep things interesting at this pace, CCP would have to introduce higher end ships regularly. The better (and actually sustainable) solution is to balance isk faucets/sinks and risk/reward.