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Oklahoma mother kills intruder breaking into her home while on phone with 911

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SpaceSquirrels
#21 - 2012-01-05 07:08:43 UTC
Are you the type that believes if they come with a knife... You dual em with a knife? Just seems so.... not.. pragmatic. I mean there's a reason guns beat out swords.... Also knife throwing is an art that needs practice. (And how many people have their ninja throwing stars hidden throughout the house these days? I know I keep forgetting where I hide mine.) I'd also really have to wonder what the difference is between stabbing someone in the chest with a butchers knife and shooting them. At the end of the day someones gonna get a pneumothorax.

Then again I have 0 problem with someone getting their ass shot with a double barrel shotgun if they're stalking someone/breaking into someones house/car. I dont see it as a soulless act. Defense of family is intrinsic in all of nature. Many animals fight to death to defend their offspring/family if they can. Matter of fact i'd be more worried if someone didn't put up a fight in this type of situation.

Just my philosophical belief though. Also stupidity should hurt. If it takes a shotgun blast for a person to realize it so be it.
Alara IonStorm
#22 - 2012-01-05 07:24:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Are you the type that believes if they come with a knife... You dual em with a knife?

Oh no if they bring party favors then you have to upstage them. You are the host after all. It is only polite that they be impressed by choice of home defense.

Then again maybe it is like bringing a bottle of wine. You are supposed to drink theirs even if you have a better brand in your cellar. Perhaps you could disarm them with pepper spray then stab them with their knife. She could take the time in between to offer drinks.

I am not completely up to date with the social faux pas of breaking and entering.

Social Etiquette is so confusing. Ugh

But I think I would make a good host.

SpaceSquirrels wrote:

Just my philosophical belief though. Also stupidity should hurt. If it takes a shotgun blast for a person to realize it so be it.

On a serious note I honestly do take a little pleasure from reading stories where bad guys get what is coming to them. I love those stories like the group of teens who tried to swarm a 40 something ex-boxer and one of them got his nose busted. Tried to follow him on to the bus he was waiting for and attack him from behind. Smashed 2 of their heads off the till and shoved them so they all cascaded out the door and on to the pavement. They were busted when they sought medical help.

Stuff like that makes me smile. Big smile
Xuko Nuki
Heralds of Darkness
White Sky.
#23 - 2012-01-05 08:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuko Nuki
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Spineker wrote:
I bet you live in a little utopian spot in the world and never worked or had to know a hardship or fight for anything ever. Just handed to you like entitlement merry go round.

Thank God for that.

Is it inappropriate to laugh at those who did not?


The Committee of Public Safety would not sanction such laughter as it could bristle the feelings of others. Nor would they approve of this unsanctioned slaughter, perpetrated by this barbarian, the police were clearly informed and therefor, the situation was under control within their jurisdiction.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-01-05 08:23:49 UTC
Love and tolerate... like Fluttershy <3

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BLACK-STAR
#25 - 2012-01-05 08:46:14 UTC
Alara IonStorm, ma'am. People break into houses with a motive, or unless they're a drunkard and crash through their neighbors door. There's a difference when a stranger is holding a knife/gun busting into your house, right... ?

In OP's article referenced the two idiots breaking-in had motives. They're armed and doped up with hydrocodone (and whatever else). The mother is home alone with a baby. No where to run. Authorities advise self-defenses. (Imagine the worst case scenario here, a baby with both parent's deceased?). The right course of action was taken, there is no hiding with a baby.


Defend your friends, family, and yourself in any such situation crazy like that. You just might have to commit something crazy to saver another day.

ᴛʟᴅʟ:

If everyone in such a situation is a stoffel then anything bad could happen-- because maybe you allowed it to happen. The situation is impossible or either not worth it, so you will what's at stake.



Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Love and tolerate... like Fluttershy <3

this thread lacked something, thanks for cheering it up Smile
Alara IonStorm
#26 - 2012-01-05 09:31:13 UTC
BLACK-STAR wrote:

In OP's article referenced the two idiots breaking-in had motives. They're armed and doped up with hydrocodone (and whatever else). The mother is home alone with a baby. No where to run. Authorities advise self-defenses. (Imagine the worst case scenario here, a baby with both parent's deceased?). The right course of action was taken, there is no hiding with a baby.

Just to be clear...

You know I was joking right?

Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Love and tolerate... like Fluttershy <3

I will admit, I laughed.
BLACK-STAR
#27 - 2012-01-05 09:38:06 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:

You know I was joking right?
sometimes I skim read much, bah its morning i'm tired still What?.. nvm ha

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2012-01-05 09:56:40 UTC
Personally I would have used a longbow. Much more classy and not as much mess.
Valei Khurelem
#29 - 2012-01-05 11:31:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
I'd have shot him in the knee with it :D

But seriously, you can't ever approve of killing in those kind of situations but if someone is breaking into your house while you're calling an emergency number and the operator can even hear what's going on there's no more clear cut case of self-defense I have ever seen. I think seeing as how she had a bunch of guns with her it wasn't necessary take him out, I would have shot him in the leg as a warning and if he get it taken off so be it, serves as a warning to any other assholes that think about robbing people.

Oh by the way guys, you know you can get swords and shields or even spears if you're up against someone with a knife, they're not as restricted as firearms as well from what I know.

There have been cases reported where women in particular ( typical :( ) who do exactly what criminals say and just give them everything then they end up getting killed, I'm disgusted with people who think like this and have no sense of self-worth or respect for themselves.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-01-05 12:17:08 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
I'd have shot him in the knee with it :D

But seriously, you can't ever approve of killing in those kind of situations but if someone is breaking into your house while you're calling an emergency number and the operator can even hear what's going on there's no more clear cut case of self-defense I have ever seen. I think seeing as how she had a bunch of guns with her it wasn't necessary take him out, I would have shot him in the leg as a warning and if he get it taken off so be it, serves as a warning to any other assholes that think about robbing people.

Oh by the way guys, you know you can get swords and shields or even spears if you're up against someone with a knife, they're not as restricted as firearms as well from what I know.

There have been cases reported where women in particular ( typical :( ) who do exactly what criminals say and just give them everything then they end up getting killed, I'm disgusted with people who think like this and have no sense of self-worth or respect for themselves.


Thing is shooting someone in the leg isn't like it is the in the movies The person will either bleed out in minutes or remain a threat, sometimes both. Either way if you have to shoot you are better of doing it properly, and shooting them to stop them being a threat, if they die then its to bad. Cases like this one its understandable that she felt she had no choice but to shoot. Personally I would rather try to restrain them, if the run they run, if they come at me I would defend myself.

It is easy to say what you would do though, being in the situation and scared and full of adrenalin is another matter.
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-01-05 12:46:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Sidus Isaacs
Spineker wrote:


Doubt she knows any of those you idiot since without much doubt she is from Europe. Don't you feel like an idiot for typing propaganda anyway? Bet you voted for that ****** in office these days also.


Lol, like voting even matters in US.

Even more lol at the obvious political stereotpying and dirt throwing going on in here. So many weak minded people not able to think for themselvs. And they play right into the hands of the political "parties" in US.

Jno Aubrey wrote:


News flash (to all of you): EU is a lot of different separate countries with their own laws, culture and ways if doing things, not one.



Spineker wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
******* crazy. Is this what society has become. Where we all just sit around and say this kind of barbaric behavior is Ok.

Now days it absolutely fine, just go ahead and pull that trigger like you are not talking to someone on the phone. In my day when you were talking to someone you paid attention to them, took the time out of your day.

Now it is all Multitasking. Shooting that guy while talking so she could get back to her "You Tubing" and "Face Booking".

Downfall of a civilized society.



When was society ever civilized? Any of them? The babarian is dead not the civilized law abiding citizen good for her. I bet you live in a little utopian spot in the world and never worked or had to know a hardship or fight for anything ever. Just handed to you like entitlement merry go round.


Lol, this attitude is so pathetic. "Oh no, someone did not have to work as hard as I did, therefor their opinion is invalid becuase only I know true hardship and am "entitled" to the benefits". Not to mention most of the people having this attitude is so ignorant as to really know why they need to work hard in the first place. (hint; they are being exploited by a messed up system and therefor woking hard within that system supposedly makes them superior in their own little minds, becuase they have been made to belive that that systm is how it have always been and should be. While actually working within the system just reinforces the systems and the discrimination it imposes).

Luckily, there are still some good countires in the world that get most things right. I ahppen to live in one of the best countries in the world. It is a collective effort to keep it that way, even if I did not have to fight for it a couple of centuries ago. (Hint, it is a scandinavian country)
Valei Khurelem
#32 - 2012-01-05 13:04:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Is it Norway? :D

Just so you know, I do know what it's like to to have people walk around with knives trying to threaten you, I went to public schools after all so yeah, adrenaline and fear is a ***** to deal with :S As for hitting them in the right place Jhagiti Tyran I'd probably consider shooting them in the arm that's holding the knife for good measure, unless they're stupid they'll drop the weapon from the pain.

If you know how the nervous system works you don't even need training really to kick someones ass, just a tiny bit of strength and precision, but anyway, we can all agree that mother kicked ass.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#33 - 2012-01-05 15:04:13 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
I would have shot him in the leg as a warning


That's a good way to get yourself killed. If you genuinely believe you are threatened enough to need to shoot at someone, shoot to kill.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-01-05 15:07:27 UTC
Jno Aubrey wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Citizen20100211442 wrote:
She is lucky it's not Europe. Intruder should beat her until she is barely alive, and only then risk to gun him down, with decent chance not to be pulled around court processes for a years.


Where did you learn this? The Rush Limbaugh newsletter? Or the Glenn Beck weekly blog or w/e?

Or how about the extra reliable Michelle Bachmann campaign site?

Grow up and face facts, idiot.



http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/01/gun-controls-twisted-outcome/singlepage


You really ARE an angry little libtard, aren't you?




while I think that having a gun at home is something that should be strictly controlled (not forbidden, controlled), I do agree that here in europe, and more specifically, Portugal, we are really a bunch of arsewipesUgh


2 burglars were in the process of stealing copper from medium-tension electrical lines, but police caught them in the act.
Cops told them to stop, they tried to ran over one of the officers (and injuring one).
Cops react shooting their pea-shooters at the running car, kill one. The other is arrested on the spot.
Cop that shot the guy gets arrested, the surviving burglar is released 24 hours later.


and this is one of the many cases where cops arrest criminals, these criminals get released 24 to 48 hours later, and if a cop even threatens to shoot their weapon to the air, he risks to lose his job or even get incarcerated.


Ugh

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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-01-05 15:17:49 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Valei Khurelem wrote:
I would have shot him in the leg as a warning


That's a good way to get yourself killed. If you genuinely believe you are threatened enough to need to shoot at someone, shoot to kill.


Technically you don't "shoot to kill" you shoot to stop, if that means they ultimately die then they die. Telling police or a court "I killed them on purpose" could get you a conviction for unlawful killing.
Valei Khurelem
#36 - 2012-01-05 15:20:14 UTC
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Valei Khurelem wrote:
I would have shot him in the leg as a warning


That's a good way to get yourself killed. If you genuinely believe you are threatened enough to need to shoot at someone, shoot to kill.


Technically you don't "shoot to kill" you shoot to stop, if that means they ultimately die then they die. Telling police or a court "I killed them on purpose" could get you a conviction for unlawful killing.


Exactly, in some cases self-defense law is really ****** up, but in others I'm pretty glad we have them because they stop stupid people from having guns who would just blow someones head off for looking at them funny or waking them up in the night.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Xuko Nuki
Heralds of Darkness
White Sky.
#37 - 2012-01-05 15:20:36 UTC
Grimpak wrote:



and this is one of the many cases where cops arrest criminals, these criminals get released 24 to 48 hours later, and if a cop even threatens to shoot their weapon to the air, he risks to lose his job or even get incarcerated.


Ugh


Guns contain a lot of scary elements. There's a flash, a loud bang, a super-fast pointed piece of metal. It's very hard to deal with these things. Also, the guy who was shot was probably an oppressed minority who was racially profiled before being blown to smithereens for no reason.
Jiska Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#38 - 2012-01-05 15:27:39 UTC
In my opinion, everyone should be allowed to own stun-guns with tranqulizer tips (and much higher lead velocities to make sure the damned things actually go into your skin). If the tens of thousands of volts don't stop them, the elephant tranquilizers ought to.

Emergency fallback for drug-induced rage-monsters is still to hit them in the head with a crowbar.

Everyone wins.
stoicfaux
#39 - 2012-01-05 15:38:44 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Alara IonStorm wrote:
******* crazy. Is this what society has become. Where we all just sit around and say this kind of barbaric behavior is Ok.

Now days it absolutely fine, just go ahead and pull that trigger like you are not talking to someone on the phone. In my day when you were talking to someone you paid attention to them, took the time out of your day.

Now it is all Multitasking. Shooting that guy while talking so she could get back to her "You Tubing" and "Face Booking".

Downfall of a civilized society.


Bah, you whippersnappers wouldn't know good manners if you were shot in the face with a 12 gauge full of Etiquette.

The intruder should have sent an invitation to the homeowner with the date and time of the burglary along with an RSVP. This would have prevented any misunderstandings as to the intent of the burglary, thus assuaging the homeowner's fears for her personal safety. After all, if you're burglarizing someone's house for their stuff, you shouldn't have to worry about getting shot because the homeowner thinks you're going to cause them personal, bodily harm.

From a legal perspective, by sending an invitation w/RSVP, a paper trail is established in regards to the burglar's intent. If the burglars had done that, they (or their estate in this case) could now sue the homeowner for carelessly (and rudely) harming an expected guest.


Unlike some animals, Humans never developed a ritualistic way of resolving aggression via non-lethal means (via displays, mock fighting, etc..) It's why we developed etiquette.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#40 - 2012-01-05 16:12:08 UTC
In all seriousness, there will probably be some uncomfortable revelations if the other "suspect" spills the beans. A week after her husband dies this guy shows up claiming to be checking up on her? That means they knew her husband had died and were specifically targeting her. My *guess* would be that her husband had something--or they thought he had something--that they wanted. This wasn't a random burglary...either these guys are the lowest of the low and decided to rob a young widow with a baby, or her late husband had some illicit business going on. Nothing else really fits.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

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