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How Do I Deal With Ninja Salvagers?
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Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#121 - 2012-04-13 06:57:54 UTC
I like to remote rep them while NPC's are still alive. They get "tagged," if you will, and usually get popped by an NPC. I salvage their wreck and move on.

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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#122 - 2012-04-13 11:19:48 UTC
SnowxCrash wrote:
Xorv wrote:
Salvaging your wrecks isn't stealing! If they loot your wrecks it is and you're allowed to shoot at them... so there is consequences.

Sorry, but I thought it was my mission I was in, and I was the one who destroyed the ship that the wreck came from. Seems reasonable that the salvage rights are mine, as noone else have any reasonable claim to them. It's a theme in just about every story in SF that whoever claims rights to a ship to salvage is well within their rights in that claim in defending it with whatever means necessary. So from the standpoint of genre and reason I have full rights to the salvage and any interloper trying to take that away I should have full rights in preventing.


Welcome to EVE, please leave your entitlement at the door, it won't help you here. The salvage rights are only yours when you have the salvage in your cargo hold, otherwise CCP has decided that it can be anyone's. There are ways to keep an eye out for ninja salvagers, using d-scan is one, moving to another system is another.

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#123 - 2012-04-13 18:41:49 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:

But if that noctis pilot was in his own mission battleship, he could just run another level 4. Two players independently running missions will earn more combined than two helping each other.

That's why CCP added Incursions. They wanted PVE content that wasn't ****.


Because of the way that tanking and tank-breaking work, this is not actually true the majority of the time. Two players dealing DPS will almost always kill time-limiting NPCs in less than half the time. The time it takes to grab the Noctis and hoover up the wreckage, then go back and grab your dps boat again, is often less than the time it takes the tanky slowboat to reach the next mission gate.

Hell, lately I've been running L4s with a less-than-week-old friend and his T1 cruiser or destroyer probably doubles my mission speed despite being massively less powerful than my mission boat.
Brodit
Dark Harlequin
#124 - 2012-04-13 20:36:33 UTC
Eve is whatever you make it. If you make the ninja salvagers your nemesis then it is your own doing, not thiers. They see an opportunity and grab it. Don't get me wrong. I mission run with the best of them but I won't scream and shout if someone finds my mission site on the contrary I carry on, might even abandon the wrecks if they have a noctis so they can tractor and scoop the loot.
If I'm in a marauder, it becomes a race between me and the ninja as to who gets the wrecks. Two strangers having a laugh and still doing the thing they want to.
Kalli Brixzat
#125 - 2012-04-13 21:14:43 UTC
Brodit wrote:
Eve is whatever you make it. If you make the ninja salvagers your nemesis then it is your own doing, not thiers. They see an opportunity and grab it. Don't get me wrong. I mission run with the best of them but I won't scream and shout if someone finds my mission site on the contrary I carry on, might even abandon the wrecks if they have a noctis so they can tractor and scoop the loot.
If I'm in a marauder, it becomes a race between me and the ninja as to who gets the wrecks. Two strangers having a laugh and still doing the thing they want to.


Wow, you're nice.

I usually dip out and let the rats take some pot shots. Especially funny if there's web rats in the pocket - sometimes come back to find a dead ninja. I'll usually do this 2 or 3 times, and that will generally get dude off my wrecks.

If not, I'll just let him work. Persistence pays off sometimes.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#126 - 2012-04-16 13:09:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
SnowxCrash wrote:
Thank you for trying to argue against my reasoning by comparing a SF themed video game to RL. As long as we're on this fail boat of comparison I'll remind you that if someone did steal something of mine there are consequences when you're caught. If I was there, as I often am in my missions, and some dbag tried to steal my computing device you know what I'd do? Push'em to the ground, restrain him, and ask someone to call the police. There'd be consequences to the action of stealing.

I'm interested in playing this game. If I just wanted the shortest path to ISK and glory I'd take up some of the offers my friends in other games have given to join them for a free ride. I don't find free rides fun, I like to game, and part of games is playing them, and part of the draw of just about every mmo to date is to loot stuff, horde it, and profit. Perhaps you've been playing so many years where you just can't have fun doing that anymore, so I won't hold this ill-gotten idea against you, but I will remind you that it is fun to do as a new player. Also, I don't understand why you bothered to put your last paragraph there as what I've wanted all along is for that to be an option. If they salvage my wrecks, wrecks that exist solely due to my actions, for which I have full claim to, I want it to count the same as does with someone steals loot. Is that so much to ask?

Also, you didn't answer the only real question worth answering. Is there any reason why this shouldn't be removed from Eve?


If you want to compare EVE with real life, you shouldn't compare it with whatever civilized country you're from. Try one of the more corrupt and lawless countries on our beautiful world (and FYI, better not mess with thieves there or you'll get robbed AND killed).

You say you don't like free rides, yet you complain when you can't profit from your mission-running unchallenged. EVE is a MMO where everything you do is open to be challenged by other players in one way or another and that makes it interesting. This isn't some lame, unopposed collect-atron like WoW.

Though as a frequent salvage-ninja, I'll happily trade salvage-immunity for the ability to tractor-beam yellow wrecks (and a frigate-sized noctis variant please).

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Ettu Brute II
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2012-04-16 19:41:42 UTC
SnowxCrash wrote:
Also, you didn't answer the only real question worth answering. Is there any reason why this shouldn't be removed from Eve?

There is one very obvious, totally, absolutely and utterly overwhelming reason:

It was deliberately created and introduced into the game by CCP and is working exactly as intended.


SnowxCrash wrote:
All of my arguments, if they're so pitiful and incomplete as to amount to 'waaaaaah my salvage' then why haven't you given some real reasons showing why it's so flawed instead of resorting to what's basically grade school taunting.

It's not flawed, and nobody can give reasons for a non-existent situation.