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Trying to find T2 BPO's on the market
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Hung TuLo
Running with Dogs
Out of the Blue.
#1 - 2012-01-04 13:03:07 UTC
Hi all,

I have been trying to find T2 bpo's on the market. Specifically MIning Crystals or Ammo. I am hearing that these are only availabl on in Contracts. I would think that these should be in NPC stations for sale.

Does anyone know if there are plans to reseed T2 bpo's?

I shouldn't have to spend an arm and a leg for T2 bpo's should I?

"In space all warriors are cold warriors" ---  General Chang  Star Trek VI
Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
#2 - 2012-01-04 13:15:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kolmogorow
T2 BPOs are mainly sold and auctioned here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=278

(You can just get a Crokite Mining Crystal T2 BPO in one of the auctions there for > 3 Bil ISK.)

No "reseed" of T2 BPOs on the market will happen. They never have been on the in-game market.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#3 - 2012-01-04 14:43:55 UTC
You are missing some of the history behind t2 bpos and invention.

Many t2 items can only be produced by making invention attempts on bpcs. If the invention is successful, you receive a limited run t2 bpc. Invention attempts also require datacores and interfaces. Datacores are consumables, interfaces are reusable. Datacores come from research agents.

Prior to invention, t2 bpos were won in a lottery system. Those same research agents that now give you datacores use to offer you chances in the lotteries. The lotteries are long gone and ccp has made no mention of bribing them back. All existing t2 bpos are from the lottery days, are rare items, hence the high price.

So no, you will probably never see a t2 bpo on the market. Yes, the debate over removing the remaining t2 bpos is a commonly debated topic with much flaming on both sides.

If you want to make t2 items, learn about invention.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#4 - 2012-01-05 05:26:53 UTC
Hung TuLo wrote:

I shouldn't have to spend an arm and a leg for T2 bpo's should I?


Why do you think you shouldn't have to spend an arm and a leg? T2 BPOs are probably the highest Isk/Effort activity in Eve. Buy 30d of materials, Pres Butan, sell 30d later. Profit.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-05 06:24:48 UTC
My first idea a couple of days ago was to buy some T2 BPO's. Then I saw a post by Akita T mentioning that T2 BPOs are very scarce and most T2 items are produced by invention. Then I came across this website http://www.eve-market-guide.com/ and found that some T1 items give equal or better isk/hour than many T2 items created through invention. Especially if you research to increase the ME and PE of the BPOs. So now my strategy has been to acquire carefully chosen T1 BPOs and prepare to research them.

And, yes, T2 BPOs are OP as hell. A BPO for something like Cap Recharger II's would be like a license to print isk. Just look at the mineral cost of a Cap Recharger II and compare to the market price of the module. That being said, my alt may aim to acquire some T2 BPOs when she has more capital.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2012-01-05 07:26:52 UTC
Jacob Stiller wrote:
My first idea a couple of days ago was to buy some T2 BPO's. Then I saw a post by Akita T mentioning that T2 BPOs are very scarce and most T2 items are produced by invention. Then I came across this website http://www.eve-market-guide.com/ and found that some T1 items give equal or better isk/hour than many T2 items created through invention. Especially if you research to increase the ME and PE of the BPOs. So now my strategy has been to acquire carefully chosen T1 BPOs and prepare to research them.

And, yes, T2 BPOs are OP as hell. A BPO for something like Cap Recharger II's would be like a license to print isk. Just look at the mineral cost of a Cap Recharger II and compare to the market price of the module. That being said, my alt may aim to acquire some T2 BPOs when she has more capital.


At current prices, t2 BPOs are fairly poor investments in terms of Isk/Hr or Income/Invested Isk. The problem being the inability to build in parallel. An inventor can keep 10 or more manufacturing slots running 24/7 if they're on the ball and working at it, they make a bit less isk/slot, but they make it on 10 slots.

A t3 BPO owner makes a bit more isk/slot, but only gets 1 slot. And has billions of isk of capital tied up in manufacturing one item who's demand could very well tank, or whatever.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-01-05 08:14:26 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


At current prices, t2 BPOs are fairly poor investments in terms of Isk/Hr or Income/Invested Isk. The problem being the inability to build in parallel. An inventor can keep 10 or more manufacturing slots running 24/7 if they're on the ball and working at it, they make a bit less isk/slot, but they make it on 10 slots.

A t3 BPO owner makes a bit more isk/slot, but only gets 1 slot. And has billions of isk of capital tied up in manufacturing one item who's demand could very well tank, or whatever.


So you can't make BPCs from T2 and T3 BPOs?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#8 - 2012-01-05 08:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Jacob Stiller wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


At current prices, t2 BPOs are fairly poor investments in terms of Isk/Hr or Income/Invested Isk. The problem being the inability to build in parallel. An inventor can keep 10 or more manufacturing slots running 24/7 if they're on the ball and working at it, they make a bit less isk/slot, but they make it on 10 slots.

A t3 BPO owner makes a bit more isk/slot, but only gets 1 slot. And has billions of isk of capital tied up in manufacturing one item who's demand could very well tank, or whatever.


So you can't make BPCs from T2 and T3 BPOs?


There have never been t3 BPOs

The per run copy time of a T2 BPO is LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG.

For instance, a Cap Recharger 2 BPO would take me 53min to build off of, and 1hr, 5min per run for a copy I wanted to make. So it takes longer to make a copy than it takes to use the BPO to build the thing

Hulk BPO is even worse. 1d2h to build, 1d19hr per run Copied.

And that's with no PE research, Copies made at an Advance Mobile Lab, and Manufacturing done in an NPC station. So the most favorable comparison for making copies over manufacturing (only taking time into account).

Oh, and Copying has material inputs for T2 BPOs.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-01-05 09:28:47 UTC
TLDR re T2 BPO copying:

You technically can copy them. Nobody does because it works very differently (compared to T1 prints) due to long copy times and extra material costs - you would just be wasting time and ISK.