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Mining, Just a waste of time?
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-01-04 11:39:36 UTC
I started this topic because the past few days have been really eye opening for me.
when i started out in eve around a year back, mining was a good profitable carreer for newcomers in eve.

when im mining atm in my hulk i make around 6mill/hour in highsec and around 20-30mill in nullsec
later on i learned that PvE brings more money on missions or deadspace pockets. so i turned to that for a while.
this turned out great and i was on a decent 20-50mill/hour with my T1 battleship

the past few days, i started doing Incursions and that was just a real shock to me. for the first time in my eve carreer im making more money then ever before. if you are in a decent Vanguard fleet, you can make EASILY around 90-120mill / hour in highsec!

i think this is just insane. miners these days have just no good chance of making great money since the rewards on incursions are just outrages. i really think that miners should be helped since 6mill/hour is nothing compared to the 90-120mill combat pilots make in highsec atm...

i even think that if we go on like this, that there wont even be miners in the future, simply because active people will run incursions and only a few botter will mine, or maybe they will create some sort of incursion fleetrunning macro or something and also change to incursions. we dont want that to happen do we?

What do you guys think?

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McLuckz
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-01-04 11:40:32 UTC
Don't mine it now costs 10 mil to gank a hulk.
Shawnm339
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-01-04 11:41:24 UTC
Some people enjoy mining and couldnt imagine doing anything else.......cant say I have ever met one of those people but I'm sure they are out there
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-01-04 11:41:41 UTC
McLuckz wrote:
Don't mine it now costs 10 mil to gank a hulk.


true, people can easily afford ganks now if they wanna ruin newcomers lives.

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Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-01-04 11:41:51 UTC
I mine when I need free minerals.

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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-01-04 11:42:42 UTC
Shawnm339 wrote:
Some people enjoy mining and couldnt imagine doing anything else.......cant say I have ever met one of those people but I'm sure they are out there


i know some people who are mining cause they enjoy it. i used to enjoy it myself as well when i was in nullsec, i made decent isk back then + i had time to do other stuff in the meanwhile

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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-01-04 11:43:32 UTC
Implying Implications wrote:
I mine when I need free minerals.


yeah but why would you mine if you can just run 1 vanguard site, get 10mill and buy the minerals? 1 vanguard sited (with a good fleet) only takes 4-6 minutes.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#8 - 2012-01-04 11:43:49 UTC
Plus mining is boring and incursions are more fun. A double threat.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-01-04 11:44:16 UTC
Battle On wrote:



i think this is just insane. miners these days have just no good chance of making great money




Only has been like this for the last 5 years or so mate , the moment lvl4 missions was introduced the fnal blow was deliverd Blink

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Froz3nEcho Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-01-04 11:45:17 UTC
Battle On wrote:
Implying Implications wrote:
I mine when I need free minerals.


yeah but why would you mine if you can just run 1 vanguard site, get 10mill and buy the minerals? 1 vanguard sited (with a good fleet) only takes 4-6 minutes.


*He was trolling*

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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-01-04 11:45:27 UTC
Some people seem to hate mining with a passion. When I first started eve I found the mining ops with my corp to be fun - running around with my little navitas and t1 mining laser filling my cargo hold with an insignificant amount of minerals while the huge orcas and hulks ripped the huge rocks apart. Couple of years later I kinda miss those mining ops but in the end they aren't worth it.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-01-04 11:46:07 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Battle On wrote:



i think this is just insane. miners these days have just no good chance of making great money




Only has been like this for the last 5 years or so mate , the moment lvl4 missions was introduced the fnal blow was deliverd Blink


well the difference between lvl 4's and incursions is also huge. i just think the mining division of eve should really get a boost since its just a lost section of eve... even ninja salvagers can make more money then miners

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Shawnm339
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-01-04 11:47:02 UTC
Incursions require human interaction especially if you fc...some people are so anti-social that for them the lack of any human interaction in EVE makes it enjoyable
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-01-04 11:47:20 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Some people seem to hate mining with a passion. When I first started eve I found the mining ops with my corp to be fun - running around with my little navitas and t1 mining laser filling my cargo hold with an insignificant amount of minerals while the huge orcas and hulks ripped the huge rocks apart. Couple of years later I kinda miss those mining ops but in the end they aren't worth it.


indeed, mining can be fun but with the current isk you get for it, its just a waste of time.

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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-01-04 11:48:19 UTC
Shawnm339 wrote:
Incursions require human interaction especially if you fc...some people are so anti-social that for them the lack of any human interaction in EVE makes it enjoyable


you dont need any interaction, you just need to post your fit a couple of times in the incursion chat and you get a fleet, and then just follow the FC and you get iskies

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bassie12bf1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-01-04 11:48:22 UTC
Ice mining in deep null sec seem to have it's uses.
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-01-04 11:48:43 UTC
Battle On wrote:
I started this topic because the past few days have been really eye opening for me.
when i started out in eve around a year back, mining was a good profitable carreer for newcomers in eve.

when im mining atm in my hulk i make around 6mill/hour in highsec and around 20-30mill in nullsec
later on i learned that PvE brings more money on missions or deadspace pockets. so i turned to that for a while.
this turned out great and i was on a decent 20-50mill/hour with my T1 battleship

the past few days, i started doing Incursions and that was just a real shock to me. for the first time in my eve carreer im making more money then ever before. if you are in a decent Vanguard fleet, you can make EASILY around 90-120mill / hour in highsec!

i think this is just insane. miners these days have just no good chance of making great money since the rewards on incursions are just outrages. i really think that miners should be helped since 6mill/hour is nothing compared to the 90-120mill combat pilots make in highsec atm...

i even think that if we go on like this, that there wont even be miners in the future, simply because active people will run incursions and only a few botter will mine, or maybe they will create some sort of incursion fleetrunning macro or something and also change to incursions. we dont want that to happen do we?

What do you guys think?


CCP just don't give a ****. Mining should be backbone for production chain. They could start by removing drone poo.

Not a veteran, just bitter..
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2012-01-04 11:49:35 UTC
bassie12bf1 wrote:
Ice mining in deep null sec seem to have it's uses.


well when the fuelblocks come out it wont, then you can just massively haul fuelblocks at ones to nullsec...

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Tore Vest
#19 - 2012-01-04 11:49:56 UTC
Mining need a buff Bear

No troll.
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#20 - 2012-01-04 11:50:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Arcathra
Working as intended.

Mining is the profession with the lowest risk (in most cases) and therefore has the lowest revenue.
Mission running is a bit better, because there is more risk involved.
Incursions are even more risky so you get the best payouts.

Mining and missioning can be done alone. For Incursions you need a reliable fleet that doesn't break or blow up and in many cases an expensive ship and good skills, so you may not be able to do so much ISK per hour constantly and need a lot of time until you can start to do them effectively. Even with missions you can be unlucky sometimes and to do them fast you have to invest a lot of ISK in your ships, too.

By the way, mineral prices are not that bad at the moment, havn't seen them rise as much for a while.

The bottom line is, do what is the most fun for you. There are people who enjoy mining even with a revenue that low. Other people like to make as much ISK per hour as possible. To each their own.
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