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Should WIS be F2P. FWIW IMHO LOL
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Darth A30NZ
Deep Axion
Honorable Third Party
#1 - 2012-01-04 10:08:19 UTC
This guy said.


Dmian wrote:
Here's a neat idea:

CCP should create free-to-play accounts (it's a fashion for MMORPGs nowadays.)
These players can't fly ships, only live in a station.
If they want to change station, they have to take the Intebus Shuttle.
These players can only get the lousy jobs nobody wants, like sweeping the floor, cleaning toilets, changing lightbulbs, and such.
They can event put a space MacDonald's, so they can flip burgers there. Or be a bartender or something.
If they want to make money fast, they can prostitute themselves, of course. Think of something like the red light district from Total Recall.
In that way stations will be full of people.



Pirate
(Just kidding)



and then i thought I saw a thread on this before. What if WIS was F2P and you needed to get a Pilot's licence to get into space. No connection to the grid aside from meeting Pilots in stations. Even when your account went unsubbed you could log in to the station your in an mingle but no corp or allince chats again unless in station with them. Maybe even people could be ferried between stations, Corps could get new station dwellers into corps help then get their licence etc etc.


yeah whatever EvE needs more doods.

Leave me alone.

/me cries alone in a corner.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2012-01-04 10:39:49 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Darth A30NZ wrote:
This guy said.


Dmian wrote:
(stuff)



and then i thought I saw a thread on this before. What if WIS was F2P and you needed to get a Pilot's licence to get into space. No connection to the grid aside from meeting Pilots in stations. Even when your account went unsubbed you could log in to the station your in an mingle but no corp or allince chats again unless in station with them. Maybe even people could be ferried between stations, Corps could get new station dwellers into corps help then get their licence etc etc.


Euuuuuuuhhhhhhhh.... it SEEMS like a good idea on the surface. But remember, players have this nasty tendency to exploit "nice things" and/or "well intentioned things" to the point where they are anything but. In some cases, it can go into "game-breaking" territory.


Here's how I see it (and apologies if it goes on a bit strange... it's past 2:30am and I'm all twitchy)...

Problem: If WiS is "free to play" you can create as many characters as you want to do as many "little" jobs as you want. And all the ISK you gain from your "free character(s)" can either be used to support your one "paid for" character. Or be used for more... insidious purposes ("gold farming" anyone?).

Possible solution: You make the possible ISK gained from in-station activities so pathetically low that the "time sink" required to gain any meaningful amounts of ISK is just astronomical.

Secondary problem 1: If the amount of ISK you can possibly gain from in-station activities is so low, then there would be a very, very slim chance that people would be able to buy PLEX and become a "full capsuleer."

Possible solution: Got nothing for this one... yet.

Secondary problem 2: If the amount of ISK you can possibly gain from in-station activities is so low, what would you have to look forward to in playing as a "free character?"

Possible solution: Create content and mini-games... and lots of them to keep people occupied.

Tertiary problem: To create enough content to keep "free characters" occupied would require significant amounts of DEV time... time that can be spent working on ventures that affect ACTUAL paying customers.

Possible solution: Make it a side project for some DEVs?

Darth A30NZ wrote:

yeah whatever EvE needs more doods.

Leave me alone.

/me cries alone in a corner.


There, there.

How did you Veterans start?
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-01-04 10:47:35 UTC
Darth A30NZ wrote:
This guy said.


Dmian wrote:
Here's a neat idea:

CCP should create free-to-play accounts (it's a fashion for MMORPGs nowadays.)
These players can't fly ships, only live in a station.
If they want to change station, they have to take the Intebus Shuttle.
These players can only get the lousy jobs nobody wants, like sweeping the floor, cleaning toilets, changing lightbulbs, and such.
They can event put a space MacDonald's, so they can flip burgers there. Or be a bartender or something.
If they want to make money fast, they can prostitute themselves, of course. Think of something like the red light district from Total Recall.
In that way stations will be full of people.



Pirate
(Just kidding)



and then i thought I saw a thread on this before. What if WIS was F2P and you needed to get a Pilot's licence to get into space. No connection to the grid aside from meeting Pilots in stations. Even when your account went unsubbed you could log in to the station your in an mingle but no corp or allince chats again unless in station with them. Maybe even people could be ferried between stations, Corps could get new station dwellers into corps help then get their licence etc etc.


yeah whatever EvE needs more doods.

Leave me alone.

/me cries alone in a corner.

WIS, what WIS?F2P online closet ftw!

Not a veteran, just bitter..
Camios
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-01-04 11:03:29 UTC
Yeah that's the way to go if they want to play with microtransactions. Free to play with item shop for Incarna only, subscription for FiS.

Of course, things such as skill training and trading should be limited or removed while in free to play mode.
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-01-04 11:10:38 UTC  |  Edited by: TuonelanOrja
Camios wrote:
Yeah that's the way to go if they want to play with microtransactions. Free to play with item shop for Incarna only, subscription for FiS.

Of course, things such as skill training and trading should be limited or removed while in free to play mode.

We could invent some skills for CCP.

ship stare
couch moving
mirror cleaning...and so on

Not a veteran, just bitter..
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-01-04 11:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: TuonelanOrja
if we get bathroom they could add ass wiping skill too..

dood1:"Hey dood(sniffs his own fart). I just got my ass wiping skill to level V"

dood2:"HAHAHAHA(sniffs his own fart). I just got MY advanced closet dancing to level V"

Not a veteran, just bitter..
W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
#7 - 2012-01-04 11:19:52 UTC
Darth A30NZ wrote:


...What if WIS was F2P and you needed to get a Pilot's licence to get into space. ...


That's a pretty neat story justification for the existance of Plex, the actual existance of players in EVE stations who do NOT have a pilot's licence, but could buy one.

I love the idea of densly populated stations to walk around in some day, but I think it might be better served to do that with hundreds of AI NPC characters+ handful of capsuleers, rather than hundreds of FTP players running around with swear macros and trying to strip and dance on tables, etc.
Xuko Nuki
Heralds of Darkness
White Sky.
#8 - 2012-01-04 11:42:54 UTC
W1rlW1nd wrote:
Darth A30NZ wrote:


...What if WIS was F2P and you needed to get a Pilot's licence to get into space. ...


That's a pretty neat story justification for the existance of Plex, the actual existance of players in EVE stations who do NOT have a pilot's licence, but could buy one.

I love the idea of densly populated stations to walk around in some day, but I think it might be better served to do that with hundreds of AI NPC characters+ handful of capsuleers, rather than hundreds of FTP players running around with swear macros and trying to strip and dance on tables, etc.



Yeah, this would help alleviate the fear that WiS features would largely be unused and stations abandoned. Aren't micro-transactions (NeX) supposed to exist in a f2p model anyway?
Tiberius Sunstealer
Drunk Nights Good Fights
#9 - 2012-01-04 11:53:41 UTC
0/10. I'm sorry but you came on too strong. The key is subtlety. You can't spout out troll comments willy nilly and expect to get 10/10. You have to earn those points.
Jorn Isu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-01-04 11:57:26 UTC
Darth A30NZ wrote:
This guy said.


Dmian wrote:
Here's a neat idea:

CCP should create free-to-play accounts (it's a fashion for MMORPGs nowadays.)
These players can't fly ships, only live in a station.
If they want to change station, they have to take the Intebus Shuttle.
These players can only get the lousy jobs nobody wants, like sweeping the floor, cleaning toilets, changing lightbulbs, and such.
They can event put a space MacDonald's, so they can flip burgers there. Or be a bartender or something.
If they want to make money fast, they can prostitute themselves, of course. Think of something like the red light district from Total Recall.
In that way stations will be full of people.



Pirate
(Just kidding)



and then i thought I saw a thread on this before. What if WIS was F2P and you needed to get a Pilot's licence to get into space. No connection to the grid aside from meeting Pilots in stations. Even when your account went unsubbed you could log in to the station your in an mingle but no corp or allince chats again unless in station with them. Maybe even people could be ferried between stations, Corps could get new station dwellers into corps help then get their licence etc etc.


yeah whatever EvE needs more doods.

Leave me alone.

/me cries alone in a corner.

This is a cool idea. Also means you could use ISK on an expired account to buy plex.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-01-04 11:57:48 UTC
It's a cute idea.
I can't imagine it being executed, though.

Let's say that if CCP had infinite resources, I'd love to see this.
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#12 - 2012-01-04 11:58:27 UTC
Wouldn't be a bad idea at all, I think.
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-01-04 11:58:28 UTC
Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:
0/10. I'm sorry but you came on too strong. The key is subtlety. You can't spout out troll comments willy nilly and expect to get 10/10. You have to earn those points.


you are epic dood:
1.r3tard name check
2.r3tard corp name check
3.r3tard goggles check
4.oh so cool haircut check

winner!

Not a veteran, just bitter..
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#14 - 2012-01-04 11:59:32 UTC
TuonelanOrja wrote:

1.r3tard name check


I would be really quiet about this point if I were you. Lots of Finns here.
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-01-04 12:05:51 UTC
Thomas Gore wrote:
TuonelanOrja wrote:

1.r3tard name check


I would be really quiet about this point if I were you. Lots of Finns here.


like you ,I'm dreaming too,to be like me dood

Not a veteran, just bitter..
Fondon
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-01-04 12:23:06 UTC
WiS f2p with enough content beyond a glorified chat room would be interesting IMO. Not sure about the space MacDonald's part tho.
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-01-04 12:41:22 UTC
for some reason I think we need welding skill too..

Not a veteran, just bitter..
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-01-04 12:47:00 UTC
Barkaial Starfinder
Brazilian Vultures
Ferrata Victrix
#19 - 2012-01-04 12:55:50 UTC
Interesting.

But what would keep people playing inside stations? Even if it's free, you need some fun.
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-01-04 12:58:29 UTC
Barkaial Starfinder wrote:
Interesting.

But what would keep people playing inside stations? Even if it's free, you need some fun.

boobs

Not a veteran, just bitter..
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