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Do you prefer Aurum, Pay higher subs, or Neither?

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Lexmana
#21 - 2012-01-04 13:18:56 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
1.
as i dont really care. As far as i am concerned they can sell pirate faction BPC at NeX for aur. What is an difference in shooting NPCs and buying it from NeX.. there is one, one takes a lot more time, aka game-play, other is payed for removing that game-play, person who chose the NeX lost potential game-play, i care not.


Showing your complete ignorance. Game-play is not primarily removed for the player that use NeX. It is removed for everybody else.

I know it is very hard to understand and you really need to think to get it. Maybe you should try that? Start with imagining EVE as a place were everything you wanted was spawned out of thin air at NeX. Would there be any miners, researchers, producers or haulers left in EvE? Would anyone fight over space in EvE? And where would mission runners sell their loot?
Jorn Isu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-01-04 13:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorn Isu
edit: scratch that, I'm dumb.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#23 - 2012-01-04 13:28:16 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
1.
as i dont really care. As far as i am concerned they can sell pirate faction BPC at NeX for aur. What is an difference in shooting NPCs and buying it from NeX.. there is one, one takes a lot more time, aka game-play, other is payed for removing that game-play, person who chose the NeX lost potential game-play, i care not.


Showing your complete ignorance. Game-play is not primarily removed for the player that use NeX. It is removed for everybody else.

I know it is very hard to understand and you really need to think to get it. Maybe you should try that? Start with imagining EVE as a place were everything you wanted was spawned out of thin air at NeX. Would there be any miners, researchers, producers or haulers left in EvE? Would anyone fight over space in EvE? And where would mission runners sell their loot?


I made that same point back here. I just didn't feel the need to be quite as rude about it.

On the NeX and Vanity, I was more than willing to buy that stuff, had they not added all the Hillary Clinton wear and nothing else. People spazzed "no barbies in space" crap.

It's always been there. You just ignored it. I don't knoow why when money is involved it becomes something people can't ignore.
Valei Khurelem
#24 - 2012-01-04 14:29:13 UTC
Higher subscription fees and micro-transactions are not necessary, CCP have obviously over-extended themselves by pissing away their money on two projects at once that aren't necessarily going anywhere when they only have one source of income. If they had been patient and simply built up their cash while giving people free content in EVE and working on one game, they wouldn't be in this position now.

The only reason they're trying to push these prices on us is because they're being greedy and shortsighted twats.

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Lexmana
#25 - 2012-01-04 14:54:13 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
1.
as i dont really care. As far as i am concerned they can sell pirate faction BPC at NeX for aur. What is an difference in shooting NPCs and buying it from NeX.. there is one, one takes a lot more time, aka game-play, other is payed for removing that game-play, person who chose the NeX lost potential game-play, i care not.


Showing your complete ignorance. Game-play is not primarily removed for the player that use NeX. It is removed for everybody else.

I know it is very hard to understand and you really need to think to get it. Maybe you should try that? Start with imagining EVE as a place were everything you wanted was spawned out of thin air at NeX. Would there be any miners, researchers, producers or haulers left in EvE? Would anyone fight over space in EvE? And where would mission runners sell their loot?


I made that same point back here. I just didn't feel the need to be quite as rude about it.

On the NeX and Vanity, I was more than willing to buy that stuff, had they not added all the Hillary Clinton wear and nothing else. People spazzed "no barbies in space" crap.

It's always been there. You just ignored it. I don't knoow why when money is involved it becomes something people can't ignore.

I wasn't rude. I was being nice - trying to enlighten this poor chap who has been spamming the forums with his flawed ideas. He seems to have some difficulties understanding some basic principles of EVE. I tried to explain exactly what was wrong with his ideas. I even included a pedagogical imaginary experiment. Hopefully he will get it this time and stop posting crap.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-01-04 14:59:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Lexmana wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
1.
as i dont really care. As far as i am concerned they can sell pirate faction BPC at NeX for aur. What is an difference in shooting NPCs and buying it from NeX.. there is one, one takes a lot more time, aka game-play, other is payed for removing that game-play, person who chose the NeX lost potential game-play, i care not.


Showing your complete ignorance. Game-play is not primarily removed for the player that use NeX. It is removed for everybody else.

I know it is very hard to understand and you really need to think to get it. Maybe you should try that? Start with imagining EVE as a place were everything you wanted was spawned out of thin air at NeX. Would there be any miners, researchers, producers or haulers left in EvE? Would anyone fight over space in EvE? And where would mission runners sell their loot?


Answer is YES .
It is unbelievable but some people indeed play the game for fun, and doing those stuff because they chose to. But unfortunately that fact somehow elude most of the "rage-quiters"

Also to think that all of the players suddenly start doing what they claim to hate, is somehow interesting..
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#27 - 2012-01-04 15:17:51 UTC
Miss Whippy wrote:
This is really a question about your attitude to Micro Transactions. Personally I hate MT think it is something Eve can do without. I think it's fine for games where players have accepted the fact that you can pay more for extras, but Eve is a different animal to most other online games, and its players are here BECAUSE Eve is a different animal. For me, the trouble with MT is:


  • 1 - I hate the fact that I have to pay extra to get full access to the content of a game I'm already paying for.
  • 2 - It creates a diving line between the 'Haves' and the 'Have nots.' Players who can't afford the extras are alienated and like second rate customers.
  • 3 - As far as I'm aware it makes no sense from an RPG point of view.
  • 4 - It's would be an extra ball ache.
  • 5 - It stinks of corporate greed over simply providing a great game made by people we can trust, because it's not just about milking a cash cow.
  • 6 - It is completely set aside from the sandbox and the player driven economy, and so clashes with the philosophy of the game.


So, to get back to the original question. Would you prefer:


  • 1- Have Aurum in the game as a means to paying extra for things like clothes, ship paint jobs, etc.
  • 2 - Increase the subscription charge to cover extra content, as you understand that this new content needs payig for somehow.
  • 3 - Neither as you feel that you are already entitled to new content at the price you are currently paying.


I'm personally voting 3. But if CCP explained itself well enough and convinced me that this extra content HAD to be financed somehow, then I would choose 2.

Interested to hear thoughts.


The best way for CCP to increase their revenue is to increase the number of people who play the game. The marginal cost of supporting an extra player on TQ is far less than the cost of a subscription.

Now that CCP have returned to developing parts of the game that their customers are interested in, and player counts are increasing, we can hope that subs will increase too.

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Garbad theWeak
#28 - 2012-01-04 15:37:02 UTC
I won't pay a monthly fee and aurum. The moment aurum adds anything other than pretty pony clothes everyone mocks, my 4 subs will cancel (again).

I'd prefer they didn't start down the MT road at all. It adds nothing to me, tempts the devs to paytowin, wastes resources that could have given us crucible months ago, and generated a lot of bad press. And it will be back, and we all know this and are ready to protestagain. That's not good for the game that a lot of the playerbase is simply waiting to riot because we expect them to **** up.

They should have fired the CEO for nearly killing the golden goose as it is. The entire project should be scrapped as a sunk cost, or conversely, as a way to buy back good will.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2012-01-04 15:41:27 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Answer is YES .
…as we can see by the immense number of people playing on Sisi.
Oh wait. Roll
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-01-04 16:21:32 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
W1rlW1nd wrote:
1)

I don't give a crap about custom clothing as a paying subscriber, but if anyone else richer than me wants to give CCP extra cash to dressup and help fund further game developement then please do so.

Since custom clothing and ship paintjobs etc. have no effect whatsoever on the gameplay, it is not something that should be required inside the subscription price, it's an unnecessary OPTIONAL extra. And if not having a certain pair of shiny shoes suddenly makes you unable to justify playing a spaceship game anymore, there is something wrong with you.






What about Engine Trails, enhanced ship models, nebulas and cyno animations? Those also have "absolutely no effect whatsoever on gameplay" - so why do you think those things should be required inside the subscription price where incarna content and ship customization is not?

By your logic (unless I am misunderstanding you) shouldn't ccp have charged us aurum to see the new graphic effects since they were not gameplay altering?



This.

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Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-01-04 16:37:46 UTC
I'd just like to add that I think customisable skins and clothes would be brilliant if:

a) They could be made and sold by players - I'm aware that the machanics for this would be huge, but there's always a happy medium between the two.
b) They were simply another free part of the game so everyone could join in and get to be a part of it.

Some of the concept custom skins for ships I've seen are fantastic. Just google 'Hello Kitty Eve skins' for anyone who isn't convinced. It COULD be brilliant and a lot of fun if implemented with forethought and intelligence. I'm no expert when it comes to business, but surely setting up systems where USERS CREATE THE CONTENT is :

1 - A fine goal for a game claiming to be a sandbox.
2 - Cheaper than paying people to do it.
3 - More dynamic and TRULY IMMERSIVE.

Just look at the web, user created content is king. I think CCP should be thinking along these lines, and should abandon MT completely. Look at Half-Life 2, no new releases in donkeys years, yet people still play Deathmatch in their thousands, because the players create new content!

THINK ABOUT IT CCP!

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Rixiu
PonyTek
#32 - 2012-01-04 17:00:53 UTC
RMT (lets call it for what it is) is a slippery slope. Lets say that they add something not **** to the nex store and they make lots of money. What's stopping CCP from thinking that "if this useless **** made tons of money, what about useful things?". Subs may drop but then it may be too late as CCP has stated several times that they took the us the paying customers for granted and that mindset is hardly going to change overnight.

RMT is an abomination and does not belong in subscription MMOs especially not sandbox ones.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#33 - 2012-01-04 17:34:53 UTC
Do we know if the Nex store is in fact increasing CCP income? Consider:

Its mere existence annoys many people who have unsubbed (at least they said they unsubbed).
Nex store demand drives up the price of the PLEX, which prices some players out of the game.

Given these two effects, is the Nex store a net money source for CCP?

I personally think its not, or if it is, its quite a small source, and should be dropped. So I go with option #3.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#34 - 2012-01-04 18:05:31 UTC
Miss Whippy wrote:

I'm personally voting 3. But if CCP explained itself well enough and convinced me that this extra content HAD to be financed somehow, then I would choose 2.


This. Even if MT can "work", it doesn't fit into the spirit of Eve, and won't provide any functional "bonus".

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-01-04 18:14:49 UTC
W1rlW1nd wrote:
1)

I don't give a crap about custom clothing as a paying subscriber, but if anyone else richer than me wants to give CCP extra cash to dressup and help fund further game developement then please do so.

Since custom clothing and ship paintjobs etc. have no effect whatsoever on the gameplay, it is not something that should be required inside the subscription price, it's an unnecessary OPTIONAL extra. And if not having a certain pair of shiny shoes suddenly makes you unable to justify playing a spaceship game anymore, there is something wrong with you.




THIS! ^

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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#36 - 2012-01-04 18:46:38 UTC
I totally hate the flawed data mining-trolling attempts of some corporate spooks to see if the "AWESOME" idea of VomitNEX still can be developed by the brain dead greedy thugs from one of the strange and unknown corners of CCP.

it's disgusting and so plain obvious they STILL WANT to go that way without even bothering to recheck the error of their ways.

What will they need? the total destruction of the game? Fresh Blood and entrails giving off steam in the Icelandic snow?

No really, what is this madness still lurking in the shadows of the basement dwelling cancer ridden necrotic flesh in CCP's offices?

Have they not had enough?

What do they want? Souls? To eat the Monads right out of creation into the Saturn Black Hole of absolute Nihilism?

To fuel the ever expanding Black Holes in the Universe with the souls of the crystallized inversed path entities that REFUSE to ascend?

Are they minions of Ahriman itself? Bent on stopping evolution altogether and regressing it into the Void of Pre-Adamite creation?

Why these foul entities continue to thrive and exist in an environment already shown to be hallow ground by the sheer conglomerated photon display against virtual statuary of the masses?

Why the pure Light of Sanity and Reason, Order and Love have failed to eradicate them?

The Balance decrees that the shadows have festered long enough in Iceland, these beings no longer have the astral density to even reside within our Earth upper atmosphere and need to be relegated to the more denser pits of the world, where they will continue to scream in mindless rage at the Logos.

Begone Foul Shadows! You have no place here, your time is past! Pester this New Age no More, for you are Extinct!

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-01-05 03:27:43 UTC
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Tiberius Sunstealer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-01-05 04:07:03 UTC
3. but only if they did away with Noble Exchange and made it so there was something like World of Warcraft's tailor profession but for all clothing with all the vanity items being made by players. If not (which they probably aren't), 1. but only if it stops at clothing. Anything else (anything, even ship colours), i'm not okay with and will probably unsub.
Thrawn Nostur
Impulsive Anarchy
#39 - 2012-01-05 04:17:45 UTC
If you look on the market most of the nex stuff is for sale, payable with isk. I suppose you do have access to that content.

I don't want to pay a higher sub, and quite honestly I'm glad CCP doesn't hit everyone with another expansion cost every time a new one is released.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#40 - 2012-01-05 06:35:56 UTC
Looking at the options from the POV of someone who's been paying a Sub for a while and is then presented with the 3 options:

1. So, you're saying you went and spent Dev time that my Sub has been paying for to produce this, and now you want me to pay for it again?

2. So, you're saying that EVE's current subscription price does not cover the cost of continuing development? *Looks pointedly at the acquisition of White Wolf, the development of DUST 514 and WoD* Then why are investors giving you money to develop games when your 8 year old project is losing money?

3. Cool, fulfilling the business plan laid out in your advertising. Free, regular content expansions and access to a game for ~$15 a month (but you might want some alts Twisted)

From that POV, number 3 seems like the only way not not cause Riots among your customers.... Oh wait Oops Option 1 kind of did cause Riots.

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