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Deletion of Unwanted Skill - No Skillpoint Refund - CCP

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Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-01-04 18:46:00 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:

Clones are not mandatory. If you don't buy one all you loose is...

OP I think I may have solved your problem.


Your presence in this thread is outstanding.


The first comment was outstanding.

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Velarra
#42 - 2012-01-04 18:53:35 UTC
I'd go for this asap. I have no desire for any sp refund on skills i'd remove, simply pure deletion of skills from sheet.

Some were never wanted, were forced at creation and are not required at all for the way i choose to play eve.

Yes, it's purely about aesthetics.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-01-04 19:06:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
While I would prefer the option to be able to pay ISK or even AUR for partial SP refund, I don't see any reason why an option to simply delete skills would hurt anybody. Again...if you don't want to use the feature...don't use it. Unfortunately you would still have people rage over it anyway...idiots...

At the very least an option to delete skills given at character creation. Those shouldn't be refundable anyway.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#44 - 2012-01-04 19:47:48 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
While I would prefer the option to be able to pay ISK or even AUR for partial SP refund, I don't see any reason why an option to simply delete skills would hurt anybody. Again...if you don't want to use the feature...don't use it. Unfortunately you would still have people rage over it anyway...idiots...

At the very least an option to delete skills given at character creation. Those shouldn't be refundable anyway.



because you know that when you go to delete that "useless" Gallente Battleship skill, you're really gonna end up deleting "Amarr Titan" (which happens to be L5, no less) and then rage all over the forums about how it's not fair that they let you delete that skill and you should be reimbursed the 5bn ISK you just trashed ...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
ShipToaster
#45 - 2012-01-04 19:55:33 UTC
Is the only skill worth deleting not the afterburner duration one as it can affect PvP because you cant dual prop as well as a toon without this skill?

I would like to delete that one from the game or swap it to an afterburner cap reduction one (or double the cost and effect if their is already an ab cap reduction skill because I think there might be but cant be bothered checking).

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-01-04 19:59:51 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
While I would prefer the option to be able to pay ISK or even AUR for partial SP refund, I don't see any reason why an option to simply delete skills would hurt anybody. Again...if you don't want to use the feature...don't use it. Unfortunately you would still have people rage over it anyway...idiots...

At the very least an option to delete skills given at character creation. Those shouldn't be refundable anyway.



because you know that when you go to delete that "useless" Gallente Battleship skill, you're really gonna end up deleting "Amarr Titan" (which happens to be L5, no less) and then rage all over the forums about how it's not fair that they let you delete that skill and you should be reimbursed the 5bn ISK you just trashed ...


lol...I was going to make a comment to that effect but I deleted it. But yes...this would be an absolute outcome of the option to delete skills.

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Nisa Darksoul
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-01-04 20:07:05 UTC
Having the ability to delete skills does not solve the problem with the afterburner skill - it just mitigates a symptom. The real issue is that you want to be able to turn the damned thing on and off quickly, and getting more ranks in the skill makes your reaction time slower.

Solution is to change out for a cap reduction or better yet a MASSIVE cap reduction coupled with a MASSIVE decrease in cycle time (the thing cycles every half second or so, but balanced so that it uses the same cap as the current AB V).
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-01-04 20:41:41 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
While I would prefer the option to be able to pay ISK or even AUR for partial SP refund, I don't see any reason why an option to simply delete skills would hurt anybody. Again...if you don't want to use the feature...don't use it. Unfortunately you would still have people rage over it anyway...idiots...

At the very least an option to delete skills given at character creation. Those shouldn't be refundable anyway.



because you know that when you go to delete that "useless" Gallente Battleship skill, you're really gonna end up deleting "Amarr Titan" (which happens to be L5, no less) and then rage all over the forums about how it's not fair that they let you delete that skill and you should be reimbursed the 5bn ISK you just trashed ...


Well, this is rather an argument in favor of skill deletion.

1. If someone is stupid enough to accidentally delete his titan skill, he should definitely get the opportunity to do so because he absolutely deserves to have that skill taken from him.

2. Also i would welcome the opportunity to thouroughly laugh such an idiot and his raging off, it would be quite funny.

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#49 - 2012-01-04 22:23:37 UTC
This feature would add value to some characters seen in the bazaar where morons have inject every skill they had the pre-requisite for and left them at 0.

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Rixiu
PonyTek
#50 - 2012-01-04 22:24:55 UTC
I've seen people wanting to pay for SP, but never that they want to pay to REMOVE SP. You son, are wierd.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#51 - 2012-01-04 23:23:01 UTC
Rixiu wrote:
I've seen people wanting to pay for SP, but never that they want to pay to REMOVE SP. You son, are wierd.

Oh noes, my SP backbone, what would I do if I lost the 100k SP I have in industry??

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Ai Shun
#52 - 2012-01-04 23:33:11 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Again...if you don't want to use the feature...don't use it. Unfortunately you would still have people rage over it anyway...idiots...


Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
ol...I was going to make a comment to that effect but I deleted it. But yes...this would be an absolute outcome of the option to delete skills.


So you have made the connection between what would be a rarely used "feature" and stupidity. When you've made the connection with development resources, quality assurance and customer support as well we can have a chat about "idiots" and the folly of suggesting those aware of the full impact should simply not use the feature.

In case you missed it (Numbers are thumbsucked for illustration):


  1. Delaying something that 10 players would use to implement something 5 players would use is bad.
  2. Implementing something with a high risk to players and CCP is bad.
  3. Implementing something that is likely to cost increased support and put additional burden on an already strained system is bad.


Now, don't see that as dismissing the desired OUTCOME entirely. It simply means a BETTER mechanism is needed than the ****** one suggested to date.

One that has an application in more than one area, is exposed to a larger swathe of the player base and will have use for them and one that has not such an intensive Quality Assurance and support burden and that will deliver the same outcome.

That would be clever, wouldn't it?
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-01-04 23:38:27 UTC
Despite what everyone is saying, there is a legitimate reason to want this sort of functionality.

The more SP you have, the more expensive your clones get. Deleting some unnecessary skills which you have accumulated on your character can be enough to bump you down to a cheaper clone.

Mind you, this would ONLY be desirable by a rational player (in the sense of Game Theory) if they were getting podded a lot - and then they would probably be doing something very, VERY wrong in their PvP.
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