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I'm going to keep this fairly simple and straight forward.

This IS NOT a bond offering. I am not looking for investors yet.

What I want is information regarding : what would you need as information from me, what should I provide, etc etc.

I currently produce between 6-7 Supercarriers per month. 4 of them are constantly sold to a private buyer (Nullsec alliance), 2 to 3 of them come up as sales here on the forums about once a month.
I own all the BPOs for the SCs and the components.

I am getting a bit bored by it, and I am considering expanding. I don't want to sell this, I want to keep it running but develop into something else.
There are T2 ship BPOs that I am interested in buying, but if I do so it will lock up all my liquidity and might actually end up killing my operations.

I would be looking for a 120 bil Isk bond.

Before any concerns over security of investments are raised, what I would propose is that the BPOs be held by a third party such as RAW or whoever the investors feel is adequate. That third party would join my production corporation with an alt I suppose, and would hold onto the BPOs, while I get copy and production access off them. Basically, the investment would be 100% safe with these kind of conditions.

I have not decided a ROI yet, and this thread is kind of for that too. What kind of ROI would investors be looking for if this bond was to be offered, considering that it would pretty much be 100% safe as in the event of me failing to keep producing, the T2 BPO will be held by a third party, and we all know these BPOs do nothing but gain value over time.

Any questions and comments are welcome in this thread.

ONCE and IF I feel enough points have been raised and answered, I will open a new thread purely for the offering purpose, along with investor information.

Also bear in mind that T2 BPOs are priced such that it usually takes at least 12 months of non stop production to earn back the original investment in the BPOs through production profits.

So another question is whether your investors as a whole are happy for you to hold on to 120 bil for that length of time, and what sort of mitigation is in place against lol burnout / boredom. (Of course there is always the option to simply sell the bpos and repay the bond, as, like you said, T2 BPOs tend to hold value fairly well, but then that would result in the bond ending prematurely or you having to pay the remaining interest out of your own pocket).

That's a possibility I have to consider.

But I like the fact that I own my own production facilities, that I have someone I trust completely who handles the transports and logistics if it's needed etc.

So I need to think about it, but if I had to be honest it would rather be unlikely.



On another note, no one has yet addressed the issue of the ROI %.

I agree with that, but since I am not too sure what kind of interest is usual for such a bond, I am interested in getting some advice.

The ROI in terms of production and sales on market of my produced goods, I have all that figured out. The question here is about what ROI would the investors expect.

Some kind of -2/+2 fork.

In order for the 3rd party to work they would have to become the CEO of your production corp and strip your roles and the roles of all other corp members down to a limited set. So you will have effectively handed over ownership of your production facilities to the 3rd party, at least for the duration of the bond.

This assumes you find a suitable 3rd party willing to perform this function and at an acceptable price. The 3rd party would have to spare an alt for the job or sub another account, whereas using the 3rd party's own production corp removes the need (and therefore the cost) of that.


Speak to Grendell.

It worked well for me.

Ok, can be closed and left alone.

After this thread, I received a certain number of emails.

I have found a private investor and everything will be handled with him.

So no IPO.

But thanks for all the questions and precisions guys.

Yes, I noticed that.

As much as I enjoy your enthusiasm for bad posting and random comments, I can't see how an investor buying a T2 BPO and holding on to it himself can be labelled as a scam, especially since I will be divulging the location of my mothership production facilities to him so that he can come be the CEO of my production corp.

If you can't figure out how you can be scammed here, you deserve it really...