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So....roleplaying

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#21 - 2012-01-04 18:38:15 UTC
Telegram Sam wrote:
I think don't RP as much because they're more "modern" races than Amarr and Minmatar, so a little harder to roleplay. Amarr religious zealot and imperial snob-- easy. Minmatar rebellious tough guy-- also easy. Caldari corporate industrialist solder? Not as easy. Same for Gallente cosmopolitan democracy hedonist.


TIL hedonism is modern.

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Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#22 - 2012-01-04 20:51:36 UTC
I would agree that the archetypes for Amarr/Minmatarr are more clearly defined and not as complex as the other two. That would help in explaining the popularity of RPing with the former and not the later.

I can only vaguely recall why I chose to be Gallente myself when I first joined; we were rich educated folks. And that is what I aspire to be in real life as well .

Curious to know people's opinions of the top 3 RP corps for each race?

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-01-05 00:40:04 UTC
Minmatar role playing was shown in Futurama....

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Zapp: Spare me your space-age techno-babble, Attila the Hun!

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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2012-01-05 16:42:08 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:


I honestly can't remember the last time I've seen a Minnie vs Amarr forum war


There's often a discussion or two active on the Intergalactic Summit. Blink

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Sethjuz
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-01-07 18:35:52 UTC
I always assumed races with better ships lent themselves to RP more. Amarr have the most complete and solid fleet lineup. Minmatar have the most complete harassment/guerrilla gang ships. Gallente have strong ships for solo, but large groups of them are not as useful. Caldari have what should be the backbone of an amarr-esq shield fleet, but (non-heavy)missiles and railguns just can't compete in most cases.

So beyond the actual lore, I think there's a justifiable reason more people stick to their matar or amarr RP. It's just that much easier to keep training the same race without feeling like you're gimping yourself in a practical manner.
Othar en'gilliath
Hosse en'gilliath
#26 - 2012-01-19 17:54:41 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
I'd assume the Minmatar and Amarr are higher in RP cause they have stronger and more straight forward ideals, lore, storylines, and more clear cut rivalries.

Gallente and Caldari are closer to just being "normal" people without a whole lot of spectacular stuff.



So your saying am "normal"? Xercodo? how thoughtful ....


but to add to the topic ..caldari Gallente, is typically harder to role play, i find it more rewarding since i didn't want to be the typical ( AM AMARR religion blah blah slaves :3 or AM MINIMTAR .... FREE TEH SLAVES Crap

You need more then just your races "cause"

I personal role play Othars bloodline, i used its description and made my own lore for my character and tired to fit it within eve .. it was ok but its kinda hard..

Godmoding and am all tough characters are ....hated in RPing btw



Othar hugs Xercodo her chest is clear rubbing his.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#27 - 2012-01-19 18:16:18 UTC
Othar en'gilliath wrote:

Godmoding and am all tough characters are ....hated in RPing btw


Adding to this, doing dumb RP like saying that you put traps in place to catch the Sansha in an incursion is incredibly annoying. RPing, particularly when it involves more than just yelling at each other, requires a sort of "mutual consent to suspension of disbelief".

Acceptable: a Minmatar group suicide ganks a hauler from a Caldari freight corporation. Although there were no slaves onboard, the Minmatar group claims elusive evidence/suspicions of slave hauling (maybe blaming it on the hesitance of the Exotic Dancers that were in the hold to explain why they were really there). The corporation vehemently denies the claim. The Minmatar then stage a blockade which ensures cargo scanning of all ships from the Caldari corporation. They spot one with slaves onboard, and suicide gank it, then follow up with a wardec.

Unacceptable: a Minmatar group suicide ganks a hauler from a Caldari freight corporation. Although there were no slaves onboard, the Minmatar report having received a transmission of "save us please" from the ship (A). The corporation vehemently denies the accusation of slave trading. The Minmatar then stage a blockade which ensures cargo scanning of all ships from the Caldari corporation. They spot one with slaves onboard, and suicide gank it. They claim this was made possible by the slaves staging a revolt on the ship, then escaping via life pods (B). They follow up with a wardec.

Mistakes in the latter: A) You can't know what others are doing factually. You can claim suspicions because of "confidential evidence" or whatever you want, but don't play the game for them. B) Don't use non-existent mechanics or bullshit lore. There are no such things as revolts on capsuleer ships. Also, don't claim to have done the impossible or highly improbable unless you have a clear record showing how you did it via past RP.

And lastly...

Othar en'gilliath wrote:
Othar hugs Xercodo her chest is clear rubbing his.


Nobody wants to see that. Please keep it to private channels.

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Othar en'gilliath
Hosse en'gilliath
#28 - 2012-01-19 23:29:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Othar en'gilliath
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Othar en'gilliath wrote:

Godmoding and am all tough characters are ....hated in RPing btw


blah

Othar en'gilliath wrote:
Othar hugs Xercodo her chest is clear rubbing his.


Nobody wants to see that. Please keep it to private channels.


Lol

Othar hugs Petrus Blackshell
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#29 - 2012-01-19 23:51:35 UTC
Could be worse...

...I take no responsibility for Othar :3

The Drake is a Lie

Othar en'gilliath
Hosse en'gilliath
#30 - 2012-01-20 00:17:36 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Could be worse...

...I take no responsibility for Othar :3



fire?
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2012-01-20 11:29:49 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
I would agree that the archetypes for Amarr/Minmatarr are more clearly defined and not as complex as the other two. That would help in explaining the popularity of RPing with the former and not the later.



Both the Amarr and Minmatar back stories are more complex than appears at first glance.

For example, the Amarrians aren't simply god-bothering slavers but have quite a complex social structure with plenty of room for inter-house conflict.

Similarly the Minmatars aren't just heroic freedom-fighting underdogs, they have a dark side.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#32 - 2012-01-20 15:28:39 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
For example, the Amarrians aren't simply god-bothering slavers but have quite a complex social structure with plenty of room for inter-house conflict.

Could've fooled me P

Rodj Blake wrote:
Similarly the Minmatars aren't just heroic freedom-fighting underdogs, they have a dark side.

People keep mentioning this "dark side" to the Minmatar. Is that a slant on us Brutors? I resent that.

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#33 - 2012-01-21 11:01:44 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Edit: You can also make both RPers and non-RPers want to kill you, then kill themselves to forget about you. Look up Vaari. I'm not sure if he's actually a pompous and stupid Amarr, or if he's satirizing pompous and stupid Amarr, but he's good at it either way.


That's because he tends to annoy the hell out of us on finnish channel and decking seems to work. Twisted

Anyway telling/ordering what other characters do is also called "power playing" and is considered an exeptionally bad behaviour especially in IRC RP-chat rooms and -games.
Christina Trild
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-01-21 11:27:51 UTC
CVA=role plays all the time.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#35 - 2012-01-21 19:39:53 UTC
Baneken wrote:
Anyway telling/ordering what other characters do is also called "power playing" and is considered an exeptionally bad behaviour especially in IRC RP-chat rooms and -games.


Unless your RP consists of ordering people around *cough* CVA. It was not for RP reasons that I looked down on Providence and enjoyed the "Burn Provi" campaign so much.

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#36 - 2012-01-22 14:47:01 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Baneken wrote:
Anyway telling/ordering what other characters do is also called "power playing" and is considered an exeptionally bad behaviour especially in IRC RP-chat rooms and -games.


Unless your RP consists of ordering people around *cough* CVA. It was not for RP reasons that I looked down on Providence and enjoyed the "Burn Provi" campaign so much.


Maybe I didn't explain it clear enough.
Power playing isn't about being a boss it's about describing what characters of other people do.

Ie. "I hit bob on the face and he falls unconscious and then I loot all his stuff" is what gets you kicked from RP groups pretty fast.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#37 - 2012-01-22 22:03:43 UTC
Baneken wrote:

Maybe I didn't explain it clear enough.
Power playing isn't about being a boss it's about describing what characters of other people do.

Ie. "I hit bob on the face and he falls unconscious and then I loot all his stuff" is what gets you kicked from RP groups pretty fast.

Oh yeah, that is power play and a complete ******* thing to do.

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Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-01-23 13:02:54 UTC
I've found that other than in-character chat and FW (which I haven't done myself, but the concept is pretty simple), pretty much any level of RP is a self-induced gimp.

One of the things that I like best about Eve is that I only ever need one toon to do anything. I am adamant about keeping Eve a game and playing with one account, one toon. To me, alts are just a cheat in Eve. Multiple accts to have scouts is just end-running the game mechanics. I don't look at players with a dozen alts with admiration (a bit of pity maybe).

A staunch refusal to powergame.

But an MMO is basically an arms race. Those willing to invest ever more will always hold an edge. Someone with more alts than real life friends, willing to spend more time in Eve than at a part time job, or just got into it long before me- is always going be in a superior position.
(hint- that's why anything with enforced parity is very popular, while unrestricted blob warfare is almost universally bemoaned on these forums)

I've said before that for many players- Eve is just a calculator with graphics. The less of one you make it, the less company you find yourself in, and thus, further behind the curve.
If you like it- do it. It's a game after all. Just accept that it's a self-imposed penalty that only you care about. I know my vision of Eve is probably in the minority. But it's how I enjoy the game most, and so already meets the one and only criterion asked of it- fun to me.
Hilato Talkori
Vigilans Aeternum
#39 - 2012-01-23 14:15:33 UTC
I think you are probably accurate in your ordering, though I will admit I can't think of a Gallente RP corp, but my experience with the Gallente is limited.

RPing to me is an added level of immersion to an already amazing game. It helps keep EVE interesting and fresh, when otherwise I would be getting bored doing the same thing for the hundredth time. It also opens unique friendships with other characters. I've been able to meet some pretty cool people while doing RP.

As far as what I expect from my members, I don't actually require RP. It isn't for everyone, and as long as you are willing not to contradict the policies set forward, I don't have any problem with you joining. For IC chat, yes you should stay true to your character. That said, corp chat is not IC, and I don't really care either way how someone wants to speak OOC.

Vigilans Aeternum is resisting Tibus Heth's despotical reign over the Caldari State. So basically, anyone connected to Tibus Heth, is free game, and anyone not connected to Tibus Heth is not. So I'll find some systems where we can shoot convoys and what not, and it allows us to have some fun, make isk, blow stuff up, and still stay true to the RP. I'm not going to flip out on someone for doing something they didn't know was 'wrong.' I probably wouldn't flip out on someone even if they did know. Smile

I am willing to kick someone for doing something that we are opposed to (slaving, supporting Tibus Heth, etc) especially if they do know better. If you are going to join an RP corp, you should know better than to do the opposite of the RP.

Just my thoughts,
Hilato Talkori
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#40 - 2012-01-24 08:31:21 UTC
There is much to be done on the caldari/gallente front: I for one would love to see someone start the Kairiola/Hueromont truth movement or get some other bizarre twist on the creation of the State (like terrorism is made up nowadays etc).


But now I must go - my watch officer has alerted me of republic vessels in this sector, I must engage immediately to have the the element of surprise.

** END OF TRANSMISSION **

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.

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