Science & Industry

First and foremost, I would like to thank you guys for all the hardwork you've been doing in PI, I'm running 50 planets so I'm not exdactly thrilled everytime you guys come out with a change that forces me to rethink or even re-do my planets and I do grumble but after that shakeout, I do appreciate the direction you are trying to go with it.

1. My alliance assumed all ownereship of all poco's in the sov and set the rate at 15%, which actually I'm ok with, I have a serious problem with CCP at the fact that the charigng point is a static rate pulled out of the air when prices were up because people were stock piling. It would really be nice if that tax rate was recalculated on the first of each month or something based on a resample snap shot.

The problem with this is even within any corporation or alliance, you'll never get someone to go around and re-adjust things. The reason why (a) greed; (b) lazy; (c) PI to them is one step below mining. If you floated the tax rate against a weighted market average rather than a static grab, none of us would be so pissed about the fact that you forced socialist mechanisms of failed economies into the game. You only made big alliances richer with the tax rates and stuck it to the guys who do all the work.

2. No

3. Allliances are loving CCP for this, as the greedy @sshats who usually only login to stuff thier pockets and log out, they thank you. What is this corp profit you speak of? You know all the alliances are calling POCO ownership the new techmoon income.

4. More now that the Big Alliances are taking it all over in Null Sec. You guys really thought this would benefit small corporations? LOL you didn't factor in an inherent trait of eve, greedy RMT stuffing pocket alliances leaderships leeching on to one more revenue stream they can convert to real currency. All alliance learders are dirty, plain and simple. Expect more honesty from a User Card Dealership when you plan your next move.

5. Thought it was funny warping around a fleet of 5 supers and 3 carriers swapping out POCO's, seemed like a good use of time lol.

1. Is there anything related to the Customs Office feature or PI taxes that you think is broken or terrible?

Well PI is mostly a Click fest and boring as hell. I also dont like the fact that you have to watch you planets every day or loose output. Only Reason i have to do PI at all is running a pos and some T2 production. If it gets any worse like more products needing PI i am going to quite doing it and just buy off the market.

All said i preferred buying that stuff from npcs and would love to get back to that.

2. Do you think the amount of PvP engagements has changed in EVE as a result of this feature?

Well i heard of ppl taking down Interbus COs not exactly sure if thats pvp.

3. Do you think the feature has created new opportunities for small to mid-sized corporations?

ATM i am running 5 planets for POS fuel. If the COs are removed by someone i am going to quit doing PI and buy the stuff from the Goons or some other large Alliance.

4. Do you think PI has become more or less relevant in EVE?

Well you need that crap for pos fuel and some T2 so its not like anybody has a choice

5. Do you have any awesome story related to a Player Owned Customs Office?

Well i saw 4 of 5 in lowsec not sure if thats qualifies as a story.

Btw can we get the old forums back ? This was my first post on the new forums and eve gate sucks.

I will start with three points:

One - I am a high security planet farmer and cultivator (or at least role-play).

Two - As a paradox to this game, I am more the creator type of player than the destroyer type.

Three - While most players seem to accept PI (closer to borderline despise), I actually like running my planets.

So when the POCOs were announced, I really did not give it much thought. My small group of planets off the beaten path in high security space did not seem to have been noticed by the general populance, so doing my own little thing was not stressful. While I was not making top ISK farming planets, I made enough that slowly expanding my number of planets and the bases on each planet was not running me dry. At one point, I considered building and saving enough pieces of combined planetary goods to create my own station if someday I desired. Then the POCOs were released.

The first issue I noticed was just how expensive everything became from building nothing into something. Instead of each item having its own taxing price, all the goods were clumped by their tiers. Thus items that barely had a market presence would cost just as much to take it off a planet as items like station fuels that always sold. So I started to consider tooling everything towards stuff that constantly sold and hope I could make a meager profit. But then what would I do to my planets that were already established and not tooled towards station fuels only?

The second issue I noticed was how all these station fuels were going to stabilize into the eventual price per fuel block and wondered if I should push everything into that direction. Without the accessible means to gain these prints and make them perfect, in time I would loose ISK by waste of items. I understand the concept of the "haves" to the "haves not" and was not demanding any special treatment. But looking towards the future, I saw how it was going to be very difficult to keep pace in the play style I have been using (casual).

The third issue I noticed was mentioned by another poster above me - using the floating CO above the planet as an oversized storage container was running my wallet dry. So I pondered either running into the red and go all out whenever I struck a good vein on the planet or curtail extractions and let the bases have periods of idling as I drain materials into the highest tier of product. Either route would not be bringing in the ISK.

The fourth issue I noticed was I suddenly had neighbors, and plenty of them on my nice, quiet planets. My good veins on a planet were drying faster than I was extracting and became quite annoyed at these interlopers. Perhaps these players were low security runners that got scared of the new potential owners and quickly ran into high security space for safety. For me, I suddenly had a temporary change of heart and did an 180 degree turn and wanted to destroy them. I looked into the Dust game as a means of removing them but realized high security space would not be affected. Fortunately, it seems these neighbors were not fond of my planets and have departed, leaving me to toil away in peace once again. But I still have an urge every now and then of blasting someone else's planetary base even though such games are not something I would considered playing previously.

The fifth and most recent issue I noticed has been the stabilization of the markets once again with people playing the 0.01 ISK game. Unfortunately I do not have the time nor patience to baby sit my orders. So as I set up sell orders and then wait and wait and wait until I finally get to check upon it to find it is the highest costing order. Meanwhile, the taxes from moving goods back and forth on a planet are taking its toll. While it is mere pocket change for most, nearly 42 million just in taxes are taking its toll on the dwindling market.

So I will have to start a main profession (probably missions) since I will have to delegate planetary interaction into a secondary means of support instead of my primary means of having fun creating something in a destructive game.

Please do not take this as a whining post, but as a high security player's perspective upon the release of the POCOs.

CCP, I never considered using the CO for buffer storage. But apparently others have, and the high taxes have hit them hard. A possible addition to PI that would help this situation is to allow launchpads to be upgraded to have more storage. Each upgrade would have a cost about equal to a warehouse, but unlike adding a warehouse PIN you do not need to worry about getting the routing right, or doing expedited transfers.

All I have to say is CCP ripped away one successful business opportunity that I had going.

Even broke down and disbanded my Low Sec PI Corp - Bison - Placid PI.

Casual players don't have the time devotion to defend the near 'defenseless' POCO's.

THIS was seriously the worst, most unnecessary utter-mechanics change idea in awhile for the game, TBH.

1. Anything outside of Hisec is EVE's group play mode. Find someone willing to defend the POCOs for a reasonable fee (tax)

2. Deathstar POSes die all the time. Without a fleet, everything that's nailed down gets lit on fire.

3. Just because you can't adapt ... blah blah blah, adapt or die, etc.

1. Is there anything related to the Customs Office feature or PI taxes that you think is broken or terrible?

You need to be able to set CORP to INDIVIDUAL standings for tax rates. In 0.0 corp to corp is not an issue, but if you want to "rent out" better PI tax levels (which im trying to do) you NEED to be able to adjust PI tax to individuals, as whole corps will not always want to do PI in low sec....

I remember when CCP published the first blog about POCO you asked for feedback

you had a 90 page or so thread feedback where the overwhelming majority of people spoke out against the idea
but you just didn't listen you just went ahead and introduced a very biased game mechanic that basicly locks out smaller corporations and newer players from PI
You told us that it would improve player co operation and friendship , i am still convinced that you know nothing about the game or even less about economics and what competition in industry actually means

If this is CCP first step into forcing high sec dwellers into nulsec , , don't bother just nerf whole high sec to death now effect will be the same only second will have faster results
end result is you CCP losing customers

How exactly are smaller corps and new players locked out?

If it's the POCOs, I've yet to see a single lowsec office that's not open to the public. Most of them have rates of under 10%. So, just because you can't anchor and defend your own POCO, it doesn't mean you can't use someone else's. That's what the devs meant by co-operation, and it's what I'm seeing.

And, if you meant the taxes, the average for a harvest planet seem to be 3-400k a day. Compared to the setup costs of a few million, that's peanuts and will be easily recouped.

I nearly forgot, but there is one annoying bug with repairing customs offices (maybe other structures too). The shield HP on your target icon does not update when you rep, or at least not regularly. You have to shoot the CO to get an HP update.

So you will be repping for 10 minutes without any effect. Then someone shoots at the thing, and you see the HP jump up 10%.