Ships & Modules

The only point of T2 plates is that people can laugh at people that fit them.

I have lols irl only because I just can't figure how is it even possible that someone having this kind of idea really exist in RL:

Meta stuff requiring less to almost nothing has skills better than T2 (Training is supposed to give you access to better stuff)

T1 ships (pirate) relegating T2 stuff to crap (this single point is really a joke, I don't know what the guys smokes or puts in his veins but it's strong for sure)

Faction items/ammo requiring low to little SP with performances above T2 stuff (once again SPvsReward lol )

T2 mining barges/exhumer just strong enough to tank a single frig (must not be a faction frig)

High sec being less safe than Null sec

Some friend of mine tried the game and asked me when it's the next step in game and raping female toons in stations will give KM's or other rewards....

Luckily for us, pretty much everything you're worried about is fallacious or mythical.

Starting with High-sec being "less safe" than Null, how do you explain 0.0, with about 1/5th of the population of hi-sec, having 3.5x as many ship losses? A crude calculation indicates that 0.0 is about 15 times more dangerous than hi-sec.

Second, T2 ammo outperforms faction ammo in it's area of specialisation. Long range T2 ammo greatly outranges faction. High damage T2 ammo outdamages faction.

Third, T2 ships are in no way obseleted by faction ships. Faction ships are greatly boosted T1 ships. T2 ships are specialist ships with unique abilities. Which faction ship obseletes the Arazu? The Sin? The Cheetah? The Harpy? And so on.

You seem to be under the incorrect assumption that T2 "must" be the best just because it requires higher skills, or because some T2 items are better than their meta 4 equivalents in some ways. That's not supported by the evidence, the lore or the devs.

I said "or", not "of".

I sometimes forget that sarcasm doesn't translate to text very well.

Hi Tanya,

I think that Faction gear could be considered slightly differently than meta 4 in this context, (although I agree with your thinking). I wouldn't mind if the faction stuff were better, (even though it doesn't need trainning like T2 gear does), because it is quite hard to get. At least it is for me. Or I might well be playing wrong :) . I can make most stuff, and now that I'm trainned to use it I can just have the best. But the faction gear requires LP and insignias and all that - the time commitment to get faction gear must count for something, is the crux of my thoughts on this. Unlike trainning for T2 gear where you have a one off time commitment; with faction stuff you have a time commitment each time you need it. (I'm in the militia so I get it easier! and still I would choose to roll with T2 over faction because it's easier to get a hold of).

:)

they definitely need to get larger plates and also fix the tech 2 ones

+1 for the idea of a T2 skill to reduce the mass penalty of T2 plates.

+1 for fixing faction guns. (why was this even suggested in this thread? something about meta levels and Tech levels?) Currently, many of the faction guns are "broken"
Consider small neutron blasters: meta 0 optimal = 1500. meta 4/T2 optimal=1800, faction optimal = 1580 ... WTF? This is worse than the meta 2 stat - not that optimal really matters much for blasters, its just an example of a stat that doesn't make sense.

Faction guns currently have a bit better damage (4% better), and a bit less energy consumption than Meta 4s.
With spec skills at lvl 4 or better, T2 out damage them, and thats fine.
I would suggest faction guns also get a better optimal + falloff (again 4% better), maybe even tracking to. Nothing game breaking, just 4%. Its stupid that in many cases faction guns have worse stats than meta 4



#1) Equivalent performance? Right... because My imperial navy mega Pulse with faction microwave is equivalent to a T2 mega pulse with Scorch (oh wait, no, less range and far less damage)
At close range, they are similar when using imperial multi, because the T2 close range ammo isn't that great.
Still T2s mean you have lvl 5 skills, and will outdamage

#2) Everything requiring massive ISK investment should bring proportional rewards.
Its why CN-invulns are better than tech II invulns. Why deadspace hardeners are better than T2.
Its why officer items are better, and its fine.

Faction guns cost a hell of a lot more than T2 guns.

For a long time faction items/ships have been able to compete with T2 items/ships.
Faction frigs vs assault frigs. Drams vs inties. Pirate faction cruisers vs HACs. Faction hardeners vs T2 hardeners.
Even Meta 4s (coming back to the point of this thread) - many meta 4 items command high prices because they are as good as the T2 with less skill needed. If a player wants to trade ISK (in game playing time) to make up for SP (out of game time), thats fine with me.

Currently guns are the only class of T2 that is significantly better than faction counterparts.

There is a reason Incursion fleets want pirate faction ships, but only t2 guns.

Faction guns should be 2x more tolerable to overheat than T2, and thats all, no other buffs needed IMHO.
For T2 ECM, T2 armor plates, T2 painter etc. a supporting skill should do the trick.

pretty much this.
maybe in a year from now when t2 plates will be cheaper than meta 4 it would make some sense to fit em to save some isk.

pretty funny every few months someone opens up a thread about meta 4 being better than t2 in every single way.

we know stfu thats why most of the meta 4 modules cost so much.