EVE General Discussion

You lost - and now you are shaming yourself.

hush

Hmmm....when they were giving out brains you thought they said "trains" and passed it up.

You are correct and on the nose.
Though, I did/do understand the/your contextual usage of magnify.


Unfortunately I'm not overly impressed with with societies ability to maintain an accurate and consistent awareness of history. I'll take what I can get, as far as whatever it takes to ensure that the present and future retain a memory of certain blunders of humanity.

Ofcourse not all historical tragedies such as slavery, genocide, and similar depravity are exaggerated (magnified). Enough of them have been dragged into the present social recall as one-liners or tasteless humor I'm ashamed to say. But like I said, I'll take what I can get.

Ah so basically you don't have a counter to my argument, that would mean you lose not the other way round.

You haven't answered any of my arguments, frankly if there is anyone making themselves look silly here its you.

There is NOTHING disrespectful about RPing a slaver at all, unless you ACTUALLY have a decent argument that:

1- Links in game Black people to IRL Black people
2- Can show that Intelligence in game is mean to be potential/genetic intelligence instead of applied/train intelligence.

Then you don't have an argument I'm afraid cos you are making massive assumptions and using them as facts.

Given point 2 is virtually proven to be false as better educated people score better on every IQ test available it seems that your argument is based mainly on your bum fluff.

Either that or you've simply failed to understand what I'm saying.

First of all I have to admit I have not read all the chronicles, so I'm basing my views on the Novels and the character description from the game.
Well to answer the original question I would say the answer is yes, though it's a complex issue.
I was going to start off with discussing Ni-Kunni Capsuleers, but the Ni-Kunni are, for the most part, not considered slaves anymore. As such I'll have to be a bit more theoretical.
Since the question is would a Capsuleer be a slave to another Capsuleer I think you can cut that into two separate questions. Would someone willingly remain/become a slave if they were a Capsuleer and can a Capsuleer be forced into slavery?

To the Amarr faith slavery is not an ends, it is a means. Many former slaves have been released and are now influential free member of society. It is used on those that do not embrace the Amarr faith right away. And ofc the children of slaves are born as slaves. If a slave shows the proper faith he or she can be freed. Now a freed slave is ofc no longer a slave and would not count towards the answer if a slave can be a Capsuleer. Still, someone who is on the verge of being freed could be made a Capsuleer. Prime fiction shows most slaves as being either ignorant, drug addict or people desperately holding on waiting for the moment they are free. Ofc other pieces of fiction are just as 'guilty' of raising similar views of slaves. Not all slaves were noble sufferers however. Many were well treated and mostly content. Some quite indoctrinated to believe that they were in fact 'inferior' and deferential to their masters. So in this setting of fiction I am sure there are countless millions of slaves quite content to be slaves or even quite willing to be freed only to serve the Empire as a free person. Now a normal Holder would not quickly make such a willing servant a Capsuleer. After all they could easily outlive them and who knows what could happen in the future. But if said Holder were a Capsuleer then it is conceivable the slave could be made a Capsuleer to be on hand forevermore. Now what eternity might hold in store is another matter entirely. And if a free Minmatar Capsuleer would want to join the Empire he or she may be made a slave at first to test his or her conviction.

Now the other question is a bit more difficult; can a Capsuleer be forced into slavery. Others have said the Capsuleer can simply bolt and run. There are ways to prevent even a Capsuleer ship from performing certain acts. Though this does require foresight I'm sure a ships navigation computer can be set to disable the warp engines and jumps to certain gates. The same may be applied to ships guns, so they can't fire on ships with a certain transponder signal. Now that won’t get someone to act in a way you'd want, it can make them not act in the way you don’t want. As for just killing yourself to be transferred into a clone that does imply that there is a clone to get back to. It's clearly stated in fiction that if you don't have a pre-prepared clone to jump to when your body dies you will die for real. So if there is no clone there is also no escape. Aside from this, the urge to live is quite strong in every being. To actually commit suicide takes quite a lot and even that can be prevented if you know the other might try this. Now that still doesn't make someone act the way you want them to. Vitoc or similar drugs won't work, since it dulls the mind, the one thing that's so powerful in a Capsuleer. So you'd need to force them in some other way. Threat of force may work if the Capsuleer has no clone to go to and can be made to fear the beatings more then whatever you want them to do. Equally you can hold people dear to the Capsuleer hostage. This would also limit the threat of a Capsuleer jumping clones since doing so would endanger the ones he or she is trying to protect. And there are ways of brainwashing a Capsuleer if Templar One is any proof. Ofc this all takes rather a lot of effort and one can wonder if it's even worth it.
But with the proper leverage I'm sure a Capsuleer can be made to do things they would not do of their own volition. So yes a Capsuleer can become a slave to another in my opinion.

I am feel that OP is talk about fetish thing. Need go look Second Life. They have it there with space ship even.

Also if want make it for the game, then they can give full API. You watch all thing. They live one station for you and must trade one ship for other ship with you for do anything.

Sadly CCP follows the same paradigm that so many science fiction universes do with the "black" peoples being the more robust physically intimidating sort but lacking in the high technology of their tan deficient brethren.

Their is a wonderful moment in Clear Skies 2 (I believe) at the end where the one of the guys points out the Maelstrom and comments something along the line of it being what the Matari can make when not running for their lives. It's a nicely worded tribute to the fact that their enslavement was not their destiny or in fact what forged them but a moment that they escaped from. It makes me wonder when CCP will roll out new Matari ships that reflect their post enslavement industrial capabilities.